Authorities: Fight led to Texas college shooting
HOUSTON (AP) - A fight between two people led to a shooting at a Texas community college, where a maintenance man was caught in the crossfire and wounded, officials said.
One of the people involved in the fight was a student, and both people were wounded and hospitalized, Harris County Sheriff's Maj. Armando Tello said. A fourth person, a woman with a student ID, also was taken to a hospital for a medical condition, he said.
The shooting that happened before 1 p.m. sent students scurrying for safety on the Lone Star College System campus about 20 miles north of downtown Houston. Some barricaded themselves in the rooms they were in, while others fled to nearby buildings.
Mark Zaragosa said he had just come out of an EMT class when he saw two people who were injured and stopped to help them. Officers had not yet arrived, he said.
"The two people that I took care of had just minor injuries," Zaragosa told KHOU. "One gentleman had a gunshot to the knee and the (other) actually had an entry wound to the lower buttocks area."
Richard Carpenter, chancellor of the Lone Star College System, said the shooting happened outside between an academic building and the library.
It came one month after a gunman attacked an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., killing 20 children and heightening security concerns at campuses across the country. In Texas, several school districts have either implemented or are considering a plan to allow faculty to carry guns on campus. Guns are not allowed on college campuses, but the Texas Legislature this year may debate a bill that would allow them.
At least 10 police cars clustered on the campus' west side as emergency personnel tended to the wounded and loaded them on stretchers. Students led by officers ran from the buildings where they had been hiding as police evacuated the campus.
Keisha Cohn, 27, who also is studying to be a paramedic, said she was inside a building about 50 feet away from where the shots were fired. She heard "no less than five" shots and started running.
She fled to the campus learning center, which houses computers and study areas. Eventually, a deputy showed up and escorted people out, she said. Like many students, she ended up leaving her car on the campus, which was closed for the day.
Daniel Flores, 19, was in a second-floor tutoring lab with about 60 people when he heard a noise that sounded "like someone was kicking a door."
Once he and others realized the sound was gunfire, they fled to the nearby student services center, where authorities kept them for about 30 minutes before letting them go.
Cody Harris, 20, said he was in a classroom with about six or seven other students waiting for a psychology class to start when he heard eight shots. He and other students looked at each other, said "I guess we should get out of here," and fled.
"I was just worried about getting out," Harris said. "I called my grandmother and asked her to pick me up."
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Associated Press writer Eileen Sullivan contributed to this report from Washington.
We do not hear in the mainstream media about the good guys with guns stopping the bad guys with guns. Why?Do not tell me it does not happen because I personally know about a few recent cases...
Well thank goodness they were both armed so they could both be hot headed, shoot at each other and nail a bystander or two in the process. Too bad the bystanders didn't have guns, could have been an old Clint Eastwood worthy Mexican stand off right out of a spaghetti western.
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So lets recap - first rest of if there are guns in schools people can fight back went amazingly...bad.
Yes, the way to solve every argument is by pulling out a gun....
More overwhelming proof that gun free zones work! I bet those students felt MUCH safer knowing they weren't armed and able to defend themselves. Surrender and a quick death is preferable to fighting back! </sarcasm>
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54% of firearm-related deaths occurred in the home where the gun was kept
70.5% of these (firearm-related deaths in the home where the gun was kept) involved handguns
0.5% of these (firearm-related deaths in the home where the gun was kept) involved an intruder shot while attempting entry
1.8% of these (firearm-related deaths in the home where the gun was kept) were judged by police as self-defensethere were
1.3 times as many accidental firearm-related deaths in the home where the gun was kept as self-protection shootingsthere were
4.6 times as many criminal firearm-related homicides in the home where the gun was kept as self-protection shootingsthere were
37 times as many suicides in the home where the gun was kept as self-protection shootings.
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23.9% of homicides occurred in the victim's home
35.8% of the controls (homes where there was not a homicide) kept a firearm in their home
45.4% of all victims of homicides in their home kept a firearm in their home
62% of victims of firearm homicides in their home kept a firearm in their home (correction to original paper)
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I know, I know... you have this fantasy where you kill the bad guy with your gun.  I'm sorry, but thats not likely to happen.  Be keep on stroking your gun. Eventually it will discharge.
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 @T H I S So if someone kicks in my front door tonight and I shoot his worthless ass, your statistics won't change beyond the 6 decimal point. My set of statistic will say 100% of the bad guys that kicked in my door are dead and my wife and family are safe.
 @al_wa OR, more likely when someone kills you dead because you're such a turd.
 @T H I S Did someone just pull data from wikipedia?
 @T H I S Personally, I don't really care about the numbers. It doesn't sway me one bit.
 @T H I S  @dg54321  @Eko Criticizing the source? The source is everything. If you have flaky data, or data so old it's irrelevant, that can negate everything you are trying to say.
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Take your pick at some of the most up to date, and official crime/gun data out there.
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 @Eko Except there are sources, that are referenced, that you can verify.  Edit those.
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 @dg54321 Did you have any facts of your own?Â
@Eko You an show and cite the data there is incorrect?
 @Gadsden You have new data that proves that data invalid?Â
No, no and no?
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Yeah, exactly what I thought.
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Interesting when you throw hard facts and numbers at the gun crowd, they resort to criticising the source, the data, and the person passing it on (this assumes they don't whip out a false equevelency argument or just change the subject all together) , but they never ever seem to have real numbers to back up their BS talking points that they repeat without thinking while calling everyone else sheep.
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 @T H I S Hold on, I just edited the page.. now it says ".54%  of firearm-related deaths occurred in the home where the gun was kept"
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just kidding, I didnt change it, but you get my point right?
 @T H I S  @dg54321 Again, the data you are pulling from is from 1986 and 1993... This is so outdated and irrelevant it's not even funny.
 @Gadsden  @T H I S Shhhh! How many times do I have to say it? You can't look BEHIND the numbers for facts, just accept the numbers at face value and accept the all encompassing peace of being a part of the herd.....
 @T H I S  @dg54321 So you're a sheep that hopes the cops will get there in time instead of having a fighting chance, good for you!
Once again. Forget the empty argument that laws did not prevent this, so why have gun control at all. With a proliferation of guns and checkerboard access rules across differing states it will take nationwide legislation to change things.
 @Citizen#3457899654 New York just passed what is being called the most restrictive gun laws. The laws there wouldn't have stopped this.
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And amazing, New York City had its first violent crime free day last year in, well no one can remember when (no murder, no attempted murder, no rape, no what would be defined as a violent felony crime). Oh ya, and NYC crime level is now at 1960 levels overall - lowest in over 50 years.
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Those crazy liberal New Yorkers and their dumb gun laws.
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@Gadsden Ah, that myth making the rounds still???
 @Citizen#3457899654  @Gadsden How would it have? Even with New Yorks 7 round  per magazine limit, there were only, an estimated, 8 shots. Seven in the mag, one in the chambered, it would have been legal.
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Regardless. It's still illegal to murder or attempt to murder someone. That's never stopped a mass shooter. So yes, I'm a little skeptical when people say more laws will help. I was unaware that criminals started paying attention to them.
 @Gadsden  @Citizen#3457899654 DC, Chicago, Los Angeles, all have strict gun control.......crime in those places are higher than those that have not passed such draconian, anti self defense laws. Pretty simple....for those who are open to the truth and not preconceptions.
 @Hambingo Theer are gun lovers in all 50 States, for your information. Guess that makes all 50 States, hick states. Don't forget your Kool-Aid.
 @dg54321 Crime is high because those are very high population areas. Of course the places with the most people crammed in a small area are going to have the most homicides. Sort the data for gun homicides per 100,000 people and hick states where they love guns are often in the top half of the list. It is a myth that gun violence is low in states where people love their guns.
But wait... even in Texas, I'll bet that school was a "gun free zone". Â
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When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away!
 @newspuppy It actually happened in the US, not in Canada, France, Germany, England, etc You know, other developed democracies with more gun control measures.
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But those facts don't jive with your bumper sticker NRA talking points, do they?
 @T H I S  @newspuppy List those countries in rank from highest to lowest on violent crime.
 @T H I S  @dg54321 ok,ok, but what are u gonna do when you'll be easy prey and the Big guys will still have their armed body guards? Do you really believe that all this is about gun violence? Do you really believe that the big ones care about the little guy?All they care is to pass the UN gun laws here in the US so that can do whatever they please with u after....
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OH look, I do not like the data, so let me just dismiss it without providing any counter data.
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 @T H I S You need to research somewhere beside wikipedia... seriously.
 @T H I S  @DarkParty According to the source at the bottom of the page, that data is from "The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (2002)"Â
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Surely there is newer data than that.
 @dg54321 "Guess it's a better death if it's committed with a knife instead of a gun."
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Except that isn't happening either.
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4 times higher in the US. I wonder why that is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
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But I am sure you had a point in there somewhere right?
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what you just did.
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http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes
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Or are you talking about the whole "Brittian has more violent crime that anyone else EVER" thing. You know. where they factor in burgleries to that.Â
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So in your mind, you would rather have people getting shot and dying than burgleries. Becuase that is what you are arguing when you try to regurtitate a little bitty talking point.Â
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What you just did is completely ignore one set of facts that do not conform to your view for another set that make your view look stupid. Because you jsut decided to ignore the fact that this nation has the highest one of the highest rate of gun deaths in the industrustial world.Â
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And by virtue of this, youa re trying to say ... if only they had guns, they would have less violent crime because you also want to ignore the fact that you are 43 times more to be shot with your gun that use it to defend yourself.
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 @T H I S  @DarkParty Really? Gun stats that mean nothing to his question. Violent crime is a different story and many of those nations you listed are higher on that list than the US.
 @DarkParty  @T H I S I'll skip ahead and state that the UK is numero uno on THAT list. Guess it's a better death if it's committed with a knife instead of a gun.
 @T H I S I said "Violent Crime"
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In Texas?
How convenient.
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The Tin Foil is on Aisle 3
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 @Bornhere  @T H I S I can not think of a more appropriate profile avatar for him/her.
No...we have no problem here.