U.S. House OKs plan to stop lawmakers' pay if no budget

WASHINGTON (AP) - In an earlier era, a move like the one engineered by House GOP leaders to pass a "no budget, no pay" measure probably would have been stopped in its tracks.
But with Congress' approval ratings in the gutter, House lawmakers pushed aside questions about fairness and constitutionality and tacked the idea on to an unpopular, must-pass measure to increase the government's borrowing cap.
The measure temporarily would withhold pay from any member of the House or Senate whose chamber doesn't pass a budget this year. The Senate is expected to approve it in the coming week, but only after leaders make clear they think "no budget, no pay" is rife with flaws and is not going to be repeated.
The proposal is before the Senate because the House breezed past objections that the idea is unconstitutional because it could "vary" the pay of lawmakers in violation of the 27th Amendment to the Constitution. The House ignored concerns that the measure is unfair to members who are in the minority and are powerless to determine whether a budget passes or not.
Nearly unmentioned was the prospect that withholding lawmakers' pay favors wealthy members over those of more modest means and could, in theory, attract more affluent candidates better able to withstand having some of their $174,000 salary withheld.
"The last thing we want to do is to say to people running for Congress, 'If you're not a millionaire, don't run because there's no guarantee you'll be paid,'" said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y.
For these reasons and more, the idea went nowhere in the last congressional session. But it was embraced about a week ago by House GOP leaders such as Speaker John Boehner of Ohio as they struggled to avoid a potential market-crippling default on government obligations.
The proposal is a slap at the Democratic-controlled Senate, which hasn't passed a budget since 2009. Republicans advanced the measure as a one-year experiment rather than a permanent law.
The logic behind "no budget, no pay" goes like this: Passing a budget is the core responsibility of Congress, so why should lawmakers get paid if they don't do their main job?
"The hardworking people that I represent wouldn't be paid if they didn't show up and they didn't do their job," said Rep. Michael Fitzpatrick, R-Pa. "And this place should operate no differently."
For Republicans, much of the appeal of the measure was that it was a rare opportunity to cram something down the Senate's throat. Two years of polarizing battles over issues big and small have left little good will between the GOP-run House and the Democratic-controlled Senate.
In the Senate, traditionalists such as Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., opted to set aside their concerns and avoid the task of beating back such an irresistible message. Reid also welcomed the reprieve from a potential economy-rattling government debt crisis.
"The House Republicans had to add a gimmick or two to the bill, but I understand, we all understand," Reid told reporters. "The tea party plays a big part in what goes on in the House and they need a gimmick or two to get things done over there. But to spare the middle class another knock-down, drag-out fight we are going to ... get it out of here as quickly as we can."
Reid's announcement came hours after the incoming chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., issued a statement saying the committee would produce a budget for the first time since 2009. The four years without one caused much frustration for Republicans and embarrassment for junior Democrats such as Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, a co-sponsor of "no budget, no pay."
Democrats said "no budget, no pay" had nothing to do with the decision to move forward with a budget. Republicans weren't convinced. Murray's earlier statements on the chances of Democrats' moving ahead on a budget were noncommittal.
With congressional control divided, members of both parties have reason to chafe at "no budget, no pay."
For starters, the measure makes members of the minority party in House or Senate dependent on the majority to determine whether they get paid on time. Passing a congressional budget is typically a party-line exercise.
Then, of course, the measure puts a far greater burden on the relatively few people in Congress of modest means. For some lawmakers, the $174,000 congressional salary is barely enough to get by on, especially if a spouse doesn't work and the family maintains a residence in the Washington area in addition to back home.
"I don't know that it's really fair to members that do not have significant means and have no control over whether a budget is brought to the floor or not," said Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, who noted she fits into that category. "Having said that, if this works it will have been shown to be a good technique."
It also has the potential to give wealthier members an advantage during budget debates because it would make it easier them to refuse to go along with a budget they don't like or make greater demands during the course of budget debates in exchange for their vote.
Then there's the question of constitutionality.
The 27th Amendment to the Constitution states that no law "varying the compensation" of members of Congress can take effect until an election has passed.
To deal with that problem, the measure doesn't deny pay. Rather, it withholds the salaries of members hit by "no budget, no pay," and would release the money on the last day of the congressional term in January of 2015.
Some legal scholars say that approach is in sufficient.
"Receiving $1,000 today is obviously worth more than receiving that same dollar amount at some time in the future," said Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe. "It follows that 'varying' the timing of compensation is just another way of 'varying the compensation itself,' which is what the 27th Amendment expressly forbids."
One of the ironies is that it's seems House Republicans driving "no budget, no pay" probably will struggle much more than Senate Democrats to pass it. Boehner is promising that, unlike two earlier GOP budgets, this one will come to balance by the end of the decade, which could force Republicans to cut Medicare much more deeply than they have sought to do in the past.
Congressional budget resolutions are nonbinding measures that usually sound more important than they really are. Often they're not followed up with binding legislation. While the House has passed budget plans, it failed last year to address several important pieces of bipartisan legislation that passed the Senate.
"As I recall, we passed a farm bill last year ... and they never found time to vote on it," said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. "We passed the Violence Against Women Act; they never found time to vote on it. I think they maybe ought to demonstrate they're willing to vote before they tell us how to vote."
But with Congress' approval ratings in the gutter, House lawmakers pushed aside questions about fairness and constitutionality and tacked the idea on to an unpopular, must-pass measure to increase the government's borrowing cap.
The measure temporarily would withhold pay from any member of the House or Senate whose chamber doesn't pass a budget this year. The Senate is expected to approve it in the coming week, but only after leaders make clear they think "no budget, no pay" is rife with flaws and is not going to be repeated.
The proposal is before the Senate because the House breezed past objections that the idea is unconstitutional because it could "vary" the pay of lawmakers in violation of the 27th Amendment to the Constitution. The House ignored concerns that the measure is unfair to members who are in the minority and are powerless to determine whether a budget passes or not.
Nearly unmentioned was the prospect that withholding lawmakers' pay favors wealthy members over those of more modest means and could, in theory, attract more affluent candidates better able to withstand having some of their $174,000 salary withheld.
"The last thing we want to do is to say to people running for Congress, 'If you're not a millionaire, don't run because there's no guarantee you'll be paid,'" said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y.
For these reasons and more, the idea went nowhere in the last congressional session. But it was embraced about a week ago by House GOP leaders such as Speaker John Boehner of Ohio as they struggled to avoid a potential market-crippling default on government obligations.
The proposal is a slap at the Democratic-controlled Senate, which hasn't passed a budget since 2009. Republicans advanced the measure as a one-year experiment rather than a permanent law.
The logic behind "no budget, no pay" goes like this: Passing a budget is the core responsibility of Congress, so why should lawmakers get paid if they don't do their main job?
"The hardworking people that I represent wouldn't be paid if they didn't show up and they didn't do their job," said Rep. Michael Fitzpatrick, R-Pa. "And this place should operate no differently."
For Republicans, much of the appeal of the measure was that it was a rare opportunity to cram something down the Senate's throat. Two years of polarizing battles over issues big and small have left little good will between the GOP-run House and the Democratic-controlled Senate.
In the Senate, traditionalists such as Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., opted to set aside their concerns and avoid the task of beating back such an irresistible message. Reid also welcomed the reprieve from a potential economy-rattling government debt crisis.
"The House Republicans had to add a gimmick or two to the bill, but I understand, we all understand," Reid told reporters. "The tea party plays a big part in what goes on in the House and they need a gimmick or two to get things done over there. But to spare the middle class another knock-down, drag-out fight we are going to ... get it out of here as quickly as we can."
Reid's announcement came hours after the incoming chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., issued a statement saying the committee would produce a budget for the first time since 2009. The four years without one caused much frustration for Republicans and embarrassment for junior Democrats such as Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, a co-sponsor of "no budget, no pay."
Democrats said "no budget, no pay" had nothing to do with the decision to move forward with a budget. Republicans weren't convinced. Murray's earlier statements on the chances of Democrats' moving ahead on a budget were noncommittal.
With congressional control divided, members of both parties have reason to chafe at "no budget, no pay."
For starters, the measure makes members of the minority party in House or Senate dependent on the majority to determine whether they get paid on time. Passing a congressional budget is typically a party-line exercise.
Then, of course, the measure puts a far greater burden on the relatively few people in Congress of modest means. For some lawmakers, the $174,000 congressional salary is barely enough to get by on, especially if a spouse doesn't work and the family maintains a residence in the Washington area in addition to back home.
"I don't know that it's really fair to members that do not have significant means and have no control over whether a budget is brought to the floor or not," said Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, who noted she fits into that category. "Having said that, if this works it will have been shown to be a good technique."
It also has the potential to give wealthier members an advantage during budget debates because it would make it easier them to refuse to go along with a budget they don't like or make greater demands during the course of budget debates in exchange for their vote.
Then there's the question of constitutionality.
The 27th Amendment to the Constitution states that no law "varying the compensation" of members of Congress can take effect until an election has passed.
To deal with that problem, the measure doesn't deny pay. Rather, it withholds the salaries of members hit by "no budget, no pay," and would release the money on the last day of the congressional term in January of 2015.
Some legal scholars say that approach is in sufficient.
"Receiving $1,000 today is obviously worth more than receiving that same dollar amount at some time in the future," said Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe. "It follows that 'varying' the timing of compensation is just another way of 'varying the compensation itself,' which is what the 27th Amendment expressly forbids."
One of the ironies is that it's seems House Republicans driving "no budget, no pay" probably will struggle much more than Senate Democrats to pass it. Boehner is promising that, unlike two earlier GOP budgets, this one will come to balance by the end of the decade, which could force Republicans to cut Medicare much more deeply than they have sought to do in the past.
Congressional budget resolutions are nonbinding measures that usually sound more important than they really are. Often they're not followed up with binding legislation. While the House has passed budget plans, it failed last year to address several important pieces of bipartisan legislation that passed the Senate.
"As I recall, we passed a farm bill last year ... and they never found time to vote on it," said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. "We passed the Violence Against Women Act; they never found time to vote on it. I think they maybe ought to demonstrate they're willing to vote before they tell us how to vote."
How about no budget no job next year? Â If you can't do your job you should be just like the rest of us and loose your job.
"The $174,000 congressional salary is barely enough to get by on, especially if a spouse doesn't work and the family maintains a residence in the Washington area in addition to back home." I would like to see how they "struggle" on what I make in a years time. Sheesh
"The proposal is before the Senate because the House breezed past objections that the idea is unconstitutional because it could "vary" the pay of lawmakers in violation of the 27th Amendment to the Constitution."
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I find it amusing that the constitution becomes relevant when a politicians pay is in jeopardy, but in regards to the rest of us, the constitution is only used toilet paper to be disposed of as quickly as possible.Â
I am 1000% behind this! BEST idea I've heard lately.
Good intent here. Maybe, just maybe, we'll get something from these folks this time around.
It's symbolic, I know, but I like the measure. Overall, I would not mind if reps were independently wealthy. At least they would not see their assignment as an opportunity to become wealthy.
In the House they only worked 2.5 days a week in the last session and this session they are only scheduled to work 3 days a week. If you had a job and only worked 3 days a week how long do you think your employer would have you on the payroll let alone at full pay? The rest of the time they spend fundraising so they can get re-elected. It's more important for them to keep their jobs than to do their jobs.
Wouldn't it be easier to just do your jobs? You can blow all the smoke you want my way but I see right through it. It looks like the 113th Congress is getting off to a silly start.
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 @the unvarnished truth Classic example. Pointing fingers. "Mommy, the Senate did it, not me!!"
 @the unvarnished truth  @Hagar <sigh> I don't know why I waste my time with people who are unable to think for themselves.
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In case you did not notice, we were talking about fiscal bills. That is why the Senate has not passed a budget bill. Do I need to be even more clear? Not sure how I can be.
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Thank you for your thoughtful, intelligent comment. I will take it under advisement.
 @the unvarnished truth Okay. More facts.
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The Republican House passed a budget knowing full well it would not get through the Senate or get signed by the President. They were playing games, wasting time, providing silly talking points for people unable to think cognitively for themselves.
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The Senate could not pass a budget because 60 votes are needed and they controlled 55. The Senate Minority Leader, Mitch "Turtlehead" McConnell, has publicly stated his only concern was to defeat Obama. He refused any bill to leave the Senate, using the filibuster a record number of times, by far. Throwing wrenches in the works, and spewing silly talking points for people unable to cognitively think for themselves.
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Civics lesson over for today. Just the facts. Dismissed.
hah, like they care. Most of these worms have family fortunes or businesses they own. They don't get rich from working for the government...they get power.
This is just more waste of time and money. Passing bills that are clearly unconstitutional is poor use of legislative branch.
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Most of these people that in support of this are opposed to limits of magazine sizes for riffles because they claim that it is âfeel goodâ laws that do nothing to improve the safety of the citizen base and violate the 2nd amendment. Well news flash this is nothing but a feel good law that violates the 27th amendment.
"The proposal is a slap at the Democratic-controlled Senate, which hasn't passed a budget since 2009. Republicans advanced the measure as a one-year experiment rather than a permanent law." Screw that....make it a permanent law. Just like any other job, if you don't do the work, you don't get paid. Why are THESE idiots special? They are hired representatives of the people, and they haven't done the will of the people in God knows how long. Of course, to secure a job like that, you have to be rich, connected, and don't really need the money anyhow, so it's kind of a vicious circle. Our government has become a bunch of rich a$$holes, who only go after a position in government to create MORE rich a$$holes just like them, and secure the futures of THEIR lineage of rich a$$holes. I think the last POOR man elected to represent the American people was Lincoln, and we all know how that turned out.
Its a great idea, albeit unconstitutional. The 27th Amendment sort of gets in the way
Since a large number of them are multimillionaires. I suspect the majority of their income is not from their $174,000 salary.
Best idea I have seen in a long time out of DC! In fact the longer they stay dis-functional the less that will come out of your pockets.Â
Exiled_Patriot 0 pts I see the Democrats are not for this Idea. It took the GOP to force them to do their JOB that the democracts in the senate have not done in four years pass a budget!
 @Exiled_Patriot Don't let reality get in your way... the Republicans have not allowed them to do their job by filibustering, and the house has not sent them a budget they could agree to.
 @albion  @Exiled_Patriot Budget resolutions CANNOT be filibustered. Plain and simple, the Senate  refuses to pass a budget, has refused since April 29, 2009.
@albion @doxiemom2008 Um you do know the law right? the senate Shall pass a budget each year to pass on to the house for consideration also know as a budget proposal. it is law! wither or not the senate budget becomes the budget is moot. The senate has to each year before 1 October write and pass a budget in the senate to pass on to congress for reconcilation. Law there is no filibustering it has to be Done period! Herry Reid has violated the US Constitution for four years. Now they are forced to do a budget as it should be. had the senate done their budget each year we would not have these fiscal cliffs to worry about every six months.
 @doxiemom2008  @Exiled_Patriot Well, in any case the house has been controlled by tea bag party extremists since 2010 and if they don't send a reasonable budget that the senate's moderate Democrats can vote for then why do you expect Dems to do so? The Democrats have constituents who would vote them out if they started doing extremist things even in spirit of so-called bi-partisanship. When house Republicans really begin to negotiate in a reasonable way then we'll see moment. But they have been the party of no since 2010... one of the reasons they lost so big in the last election.