U.S. may leave no troops in Afghanistan beyond 2014

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Obama administration says it might leave no troops in Afghanistan after December 2014, an option that defies the Pentagon's view that thousands of troops may be needed to contain al-Qaida and to strengthen Afghan forces.
"We wouldn't rule out any option," including zero troops, Ben Rhodes, a White House deputy national security adviser, said Tuesday.
"The U.S. does not have an inherent objective of 'X' number of troops in Afghanistan," Rhodes said. "We have an objective of making sure there is no safe haven for al-Qaida in Afghanistan and making sure that the Afghan government has a security force that is sufficient to ensure the stability of the Afghan government."
The U.S. now has 66,000 troops in Afghanistan, down from a peak of about 100,000 as recently as 2010. The U.S. and its NATO allies agreed in November 2010 that they would withdraw all their combat troops by the end of 2014, but they have yet to decide what future missions will be necessary and how many troops they would require.
Those issues are central to talks this week as Afghan President Hamid Karzai meets with President Barack Obama and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.
At stake is the risk of Afghanistan's collapse and a return to the chaos of the 1990s that enabled the Taliban to seize power and provide a haven for Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network. Fewer than 100 al-Qaida fighters are believed to remain in Afghanistan, although a larger number are just across the border in Pakistani sanctuaries.
Panetta has said he foresees a need for a U.S. counterterrorism force in Afghanistan beyond 2014, plus a contingent to train Afghan forces. He is believed to favor an option that would keep about 9,000 troops in the country.
Administration officials in recent days have said they are considering a range of options for a residual U.S. troop presence of as few as 3,000 and as many as 15,000, with the number linked to a specific set of military-related missions like hunting down terrorists.
Asked in a conference call with reporters whether zero was now an option, Rhodes said, "That would be an option we would consider."
His statement could be interpreted as part of an administration negotiating strategy. On Friday Karzai is scheduled to meet Obama at the White House to discuss ways of framing an enduring partnership beyond 2014.
The two are at odds on numerous issues, including a U.S. demand that any American troops who would remain in Afghanistan after the combat mission ends be granted immunity from prosecution under Afghan law. Karzai has resisted, while emphasizing his need for large-scale U.S. support to maintain an effective security force after 2014.
In announcing last month in Kabul that he had accepted Obama's invitation to visit this week, Karzai made plain his objectives.
"Give us a good army, a good air force and a capability to project Afghan interests in the region," Karzai said, and he would gladly reciprocate by easing the path to legal immunity for U.S. troops.
Karzai is scheduled to meet Thursday with Panetta at the Pentagon and with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton at the State Department.
Without explicitly mentioning immunity for U.S. troops, Obama's top White House military adviser on Afghanistan, Doug Lute, told reporters Tuesday that the Afghans will have to give the U.S. certain "authorities" if it wants U.S. troops to remain.
"As we know from our Iraq experience, if there are no authorities granted by the sovereign state, then there's not room for a follow-on U.S. military mission," Lute said. He was referring to 2011 negotiations with Iraq that ended with no agreement to grant legal immunity to U.S. troops who would have stayed to help train Iraqi forces. As a result, no U.S. troops remain in Iraq.
David Barno, a retired Army three-star general and former commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, wrote earlier this week that vigorous debate has been under way inside the administration on a "minimalist approach" for post-2014 Afghanistan.
In an opinion piece for ForeignPolicy.com on Monday, Barno said the "zero option" was less than optimal but "not necessarily an untenable one." Without what he called the stabilizing influence of U.S. troops, Barno cautioned that Afghanistan could "slip back into chaos."
Barno said the Afghan-Pakistan border area where numbers of Islamic extremists are in hiding could become the scene of a prolonged "intelligence war" after 2014, with the U.S. and its Afghan and Pakistan partners sharing intelligence.
"Given its vital importance, this undertaking will endure - regardless of the size of the residual U.S. military presence," he wrote.
Rhodes said Obama is focused on two main outcomes in Afghanistan: ensuring that the country does not revert to being the al-Qaida haven it was prior to Sept. 11, 2001, and getting the government to the point where it can defend itself.
"That's what guides us, and that's what causes us to look for different potential troop numbers - or not having potential troops in the country," Rhodes said.
He predicted that Obama and Karzai would come to no concrete conclusions on international military missions in Afghanistan beyond 2014, and he said it likely would be months before Obama decides how many U.S. troops - if any - he wants to keep there.
Rhodes said Obama remains committed to further reducing the U.S. military presence this year, although the pace of that withdrawal will not be decided for a few months.
"We wouldn't rule out any option," including zero troops, Ben Rhodes, a White House deputy national security adviser, said Tuesday.
"The U.S. does not have an inherent objective of 'X' number of troops in Afghanistan," Rhodes said. "We have an objective of making sure there is no safe haven for al-Qaida in Afghanistan and making sure that the Afghan government has a security force that is sufficient to ensure the stability of the Afghan government."
The U.S. now has 66,000 troops in Afghanistan, down from a peak of about 100,000 as recently as 2010. The U.S. and its NATO allies agreed in November 2010 that they would withdraw all their combat troops by the end of 2014, but they have yet to decide what future missions will be necessary and how many troops they would require.
Those issues are central to talks this week as Afghan President Hamid Karzai meets with President Barack Obama and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.
At stake is the risk of Afghanistan's collapse and a return to the chaos of the 1990s that enabled the Taliban to seize power and provide a haven for Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network. Fewer than 100 al-Qaida fighters are believed to remain in Afghanistan, although a larger number are just across the border in Pakistani sanctuaries.
Panetta has said he foresees a need for a U.S. counterterrorism force in Afghanistan beyond 2014, plus a contingent to train Afghan forces. He is believed to favor an option that would keep about 9,000 troops in the country.
Administration officials in recent days have said they are considering a range of options for a residual U.S. troop presence of as few as 3,000 and as many as 15,000, with the number linked to a specific set of military-related missions like hunting down terrorists.
Asked in a conference call with reporters whether zero was now an option, Rhodes said, "That would be an option we would consider."
His statement could be interpreted as part of an administration negotiating strategy. On Friday Karzai is scheduled to meet Obama at the White House to discuss ways of framing an enduring partnership beyond 2014.
The two are at odds on numerous issues, including a U.S. demand that any American troops who would remain in Afghanistan after the combat mission ends be granted immunity from prosecution under Afghan law. Karzai has resisted, while emphasizing his need for large-scale U.S. support to maintain an effective security force after 2014.
In announcing last month in Kabul that he had accepted Obama's invitation to visit this week, Karzai made plain his objectives.
"Give us a good army, a good air force and a capability to project Afghan interests in the region," Karzai said, and he would gladly reciprocate by easing the path to legal immunity for U.S. troops.
Karzai is scheduled to meet Thursday with Panetta at the Pentagon and with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton at the State Department.
Without explicitly mentioning immunity for U.S. troops, Obama's top White House military adviser on Afghanistan, Doug Lute, told reporters Tuesday that the Afghans will have to give the U.S. certain "authorities" if it wants U.S. troops to remain.
"As we know from our Iraq experience, if there are no authorities granted by the sovereign state, then there's not room for a follow-on U.S. military mission," Lute said. He was referring to 2011 negotiations with Iraq that ended with no agreement to grant legal immunity to U.S. troops who would have stayed to help train Iraqi forces. As a result, no U.S. troops remain in Iraq.
David Barno, a retired Army three-star general and former commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, wrote earlier this week that vigorous debate has been under way inside the administration on a "minimalist approach" for post-2014 Afghanistan.
In an opinion piece for ForeignPolicy.com on Monday, Barno said the "zero option" was less than optimal but "not necessarily an untenable one." Without what he called the stabilizing influence of U.S. troops, Barno cautioned that Afghanistan could "slip back into chaos."
Barno said the Afghan-Pakistan border area where numbers of Islamic extremists are in hiding could become the scene of a prolonged "intelligence war" after 2014, with the U.S. and its Afghan and Pakistan partners sharing intelligence.
"Given its vital importance, this undertaking will endure - regardless of the size of the residual U.S. military presence," he wrote.
Rhodes said Obama is focused on two main outcomes in Afghanistan: ensuring that the country does not revert to being the al-Qaida haven it was prior to Sept. 11, 2001, and getting the government to the point where it can defend itself.
"That's what guides us, and that's what causes us to look for different potential troop numbers - or not having potential troops in the country," Rhodes said.
He predicted that Obama and Karzai would come to no concrete conclusions on international military missions in Afghanistan beyond 2014, and he said it likely would be months before Obama decides how many U.S. troops - if any - he wants to keep there.
Rhodes said Obama remains committed to further reducing the U.S. military presence this year, although the pace of that withdrawal will not be decided for a few months.
Lets get the hell out,don't waste our time,money and lives no more !
We've NEVER gained anything since day one !!!!!
I do agree that they would need to enforce immunity of US Troops to be targeted for violating a law when they are being asked to be there. If such a measure will not be granted that as we say is that. Our troops need the protection of the US Laws when working in a warzone otherwise who knows what some groups will go to in order to yet again blame the US Troops... Bring them all home!
We've spilled enough blood over there.
We should be gone now. In fact, OBL wasn't even in Afghanistan for many years. The supposed "mission" has been accomplished, bring all our troops home NOW !
Long overdue!
How about none beyond 2013?
 @RTNavy Hard to imagine how we can have any forces there given that reports of military reductions of nearly a half a million are being reported.
A whole lot of folks are mistaken in thinking this started in Sept 2001. It didn't. We started it decades before. When you aid and abet killers and thieves you become one yourself. The US did it for a long, long time. It had nothing to do with our freedoms, it was what we did to others. Our support of the Jewish State of Israel, which sits on stolen land played no small part in the creation of this mess we are in now. How many US tax dollars have gone to support a nation built on a religion on the land that was occupied by a very small percentage of those same Jews when it all started? The Israeli's made an art of terrorism, and we paid for it. Iran? We did it there also, we aided and abetted the overthrow of a good decent man who had been elected and then replaced him with the Shah and his secret police, over money and resources. It's not our freedoms, it's our attitude that we have the freedom to do as we please anywhere on the planet.
Should have pulled out 9 years ago. We had no right to be there in the first place.
 @Blindman Yeah, that whole 9/11 thing was a mistake. Or are you a troofer?
There should be no US troops or assets anywhere except on US soil. It's expensive, we can't afford it, and it makes us look like were all Bush flavored Nazi's. Funny how so many Republicans cry, whine, snivel, and behave like mindless indifferent jerks over taxes, yet have no problem spending billions, if not trillions on sticking their noses into the affairs of others. Well, not so funny.
 @uscit16791949 We tried that and ended up with WWII. And decades of occupation in Germany and Japan worked out much less expensive than another war with those countries.
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But I agree that occupation of Afghanistan doesn't work.
Thanks Bush, neocons, and Republican voters...thanks a lot.Â
 @lakeview Take a look sometime at the Congressional authorization of the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Afghanistan, dolt.
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More lives have been lost in Afghanistan since Obama took charge of that war. Maybe the Bush administration knew something that the Obama administration did not?
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 @Iconoclast  @lakeview You don't deserve polite. This was all started with fabrications, and outright lies you freaking boob. There's also the not so small matter of Bush and his Nazi flunkies shifting their war from Afghanistan to Iraq in order to kill and injure hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens and patriots. Indifferent, ignorant *****!
 @uscit16791949 The discussion was on Afghanistan. Try to focus that scattered and outraged excuse of a brain.
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But, given your comments about Iraqi patriots, I can easily tell which side you are on. A pity you didn't have the courage to act on your convictions.
Get the hell out of Afghanistan now! Bring everyone home. Nation building right here in the US!Â
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I agree with Monte. Bring them home now use our troops and money to fix the U.S. infrastructure itâs eroding all across the states.
P.S. My son is set for his 3 tour in 5 years. I hate this hell hole of a country (Afghanistan) .
Bocabob, my prayers and thanks to your son for his service. My brother just retired US Army and made 3 tours in Afghanistan, 2 in Iraq. My son is active US Navy and it's been none too comforting every time they go out on patrol.
 @BocaBob I thank your son for his service. It must be hard to lay your life on the line for a cause that is so obscure. That country has been wrought with war for thousands of years and isn't going to change anytime soon.
@BocaBob Perhaps we need to gear up and train these politicians and send them over there until they understand. Three deployments in five years is beyond reasonable. I can only imagine how stressful this must be for your family. Hope your son will be safe and that soon they will quit putting him in harms way.
I am all for helping and support other nations....that need it & deserve it. They've conned us out of Bazillions of dollars and we've improved their infrastructure.....
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Here's a crazy thought - let's fix AMERICA now....
Why remain at all in Afghanistan? Does our civilian leadership still believe that a modern society can be formed there? Why spend any more money and lives to pacify Afghanistan? When safe havens for our enemies exist in our so-called "ally", Pakistan, how can NATO win?
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If we do believe that jihadists/islamists will return to Afghanistan and create bases from which to strike again at the West are there not other solutions to these threats? These savages are in Yemen, Libya, Syria, Iran, Mali, Lebanon, Pakistan, etc., etc. already. They attack the USA from these countries as well. Will we attempt to create modern, peaceful countries there as well? With the same success as in Afghanistan?
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We are still at war with the islamist savages, that doesn't change. But our strategy of trying to recreate the post-WWII successes doesn't appear to work well in these countries so a new one is needed. The principles of war are still the same--destroy the enemy's will and ability to fight. It is past time to determine a new strategy to accomplish that task.
It's time to leave that country. No amount money we throw at it or number of troops stationed there is going to change there culture.
The sooner we leave that rat hole the better..
Amen brother!
Now that Obama has made a big mess by not using Air Force and Navy air strikes, we might as well let that crap hole stay a crap hole. There was a time when we called an air strike every time we were fired on. We won and the Taliban lost. They backed off and nearly disappeared. Obama let them back in the game.
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It costs about 1 million dollars a year for every man and woman that we send there.
Interesting. My nephew just left two days ago for his second tour.
@justathought My prayers and thanks to your nephew for his service. We cannot continue to ask this of our military, when there is ZERO objective or benefit to this nation.
 @justathought Best wishes for a safe return home.
 @Iconoclast  @justathought And Thank You!
pssst.. don't tell the Taliban, they might move back in and setup shop again.
 @SensationaLies pssst.. the Taliban never left.
@Quackula @SensationaLies pssst...the terrorists will follow us home and kill us here again once we turn tail and run. weakness invites attack.
 @70MonteCarlo Now they do it from Yemen and soon from places like Mali, Libya, and likely Egypt.
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Fighting these savages cannot be done in the same was as we won WWII and the Cold War. Radically new strategies are required; ones that address the fluidity of our enemy and support for our islamist enemy in Muslim countries.
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 @Just my say The corporate war machine will not like this.
BRING 'em HOME!!!!!! :o)