Urban voters seek more campaign talk of gun crime

PHILADELPHIA (AP) - In a tough Philadelphia neighborhood where an off-duty police officer was shot to death last month, a mother is afraid to walk to the corner store with her two children. In a Chicago area where 23 people have been killed by gunfire so far this year, kids don't want to go outside. In Harlem, a 26-year-old man worries his family will get hit by crossfire.
Residents of inner-city neighborhoods plagued by gun violence say they feel neglected and ignored even in a presidential election year marked by highly publicized shootings at a Colorado movie theater, a Sikh temple in Wisconsin and outside the Empire State Building - a year in which Republicans have launched a full-throated defense of gun ownership while Democrats have largely kept quiet about an issue they used to put front and center.
"People are being gunned down. Nobody's talking about it. But both parties want our votes," said the Rev. Ira Acree of Greater St. John Bible Church in Chicago. Acree lives in the city's Austin neighborhood, where 7-year-old Heaven Sutton was killed by a stray bullet as she was selling snow cones.
Gunfire frequently pierces the neighborhood. Nearly two dozen people have died this year, and children in his congregation are afraid to walk outside. Citywide, homicides are up sharply from 2011, though still way down from their historic highs in the early 1990s.
"It's a state of emergency here in Chicago," Acree said. "We want all hands on deck. That includes the president."
But within the national Democratic Party - the traditional home of urban voters like Acree - the voices calling for gun control are silent again this year. Jobs and the economy have muted discussion of other issues, while public opinion has swung sharply against restrictions on gun ownership.
Even some urban voters are openly hostile to gun control, viewing it as unilateral disarmament, and a steep long-term decline in violent crime has removed some of the impetus for action.
President Barack Obama did touch briefly on the gun issue a few days after a man opened fire at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., killing 12 and wounding 58. In a speech to the National Urban League, Obama declared that assault-style weapons like the AK-47 "belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities," and "we should leave no stone unturned" in the effort to keep young people safe.
But his spokesman later said that while Obama wants Congress to reinstitute a federal ban on military-style assault weapons that lapsed in 2004, the president is not pushing for it. And the Democratic Party, which holds its national convention starting Tuesday in Charlotte, N.C., is not saying whether it will strengthen its stance on gun controls.
Republicans, meanwhile, strengthened the gun-rights section of their party platform as they met in Tampa, Fla., this week to nominate Mitt Romney for president, endorsing so-called "stand-your-ground" laws and unlimited bullet capacities in guns.
Since the July 20 theater massacre, there have been at least four more high-profile spasms of gun violence in public places: the rampage at a Sikh temple in a Milwaukee suburb, the deadly shooting outside the Empire State Building, a shooting inside a cafeteria on the first day of school near Baltimore, and one at a New Jersey supermarket on Friday that left three people dead, including the gunman - who authorities said used a rifle similar to an AK-47.
While those crimes grabbed the headlines, far less visible is the gun violence that continues unabated in some poor urban neighborhoods.
In gritty north Philadelphia, where police Officer Moses Walker was shot to death Aug. 18 while walking home from his shift, residents said they are tired of it - tired of the ubiquity of guns, tired of feeling afraid - but are not sure whom to blame. Many continue to support Obama but want to see him talking more about gun control.
Keisha Walker, 28, a day care worker and mother of two children, ages 3 and 8, said people can't do simple things like run errands or go to the recreation center.
"It's sad. You can't walk to the corner store," said Walker, who was overseeing kids at a playground. "You limit your kids to the things they can do because of the violence."
Nearby, sitting on her front porch and keeping a close eye on a group of children, 32-year-old Fatima Sutton acknowledged that much of the political emphasis is on jobs but said leaders shouldn't disregard the scourge of gun violence.
Like many here, she favors stricter gun laws. But she's not sure they would make much difference.
"The whole situation is frustrating," said Sutton, a mother of six. "I am at a loss for words."
In the Harlem neighborhood of Manhattan, Henry Domingo was just as fatalistic. Domingo, 26, said shootings occur so frequently that he often worries about his family getting caught in the crossfire.
"The problem is, it's not controllable," said Domingo, adding his neighborhood is flooded with illegal guns that criminals bring in from Southern states to sell. He said elected officials at any level of government couldn't tame the gun violence if they tried.
"They could be tougher with their gun laws. But to get in control of this? That's not possible," he said. "It's easy to get a gun out here. Very easy."
But Garry McCann, who belongs to the National Rifle Association and owns four permitted guns, said shootings like the one at the Empire State Building wouldn't happen if citizens could more easily protect themselves with legal weapons.
"If I were there, I would've put two bullets in the shooter's head," said McCann, 60, of Manhattan.
He added: "Innocent people are getting killed. I don't know what needs to be done. But taking the guns out of the hands of responsible people like me, that's not the way. Then only the bad guys will be left with guns."
In Colorado, Troy Teeter, a 40-year-old youth pastor who knows some of the young people who witnessed the theater massacre in Aurora, scoffed at the notion that public officials should do anything to prevent gun violence.
"I don't think there's anything that can be done about it. Certainly not by a politician," he said.
His attitude is reflected in polling data that show a decisive shift away from tougher gun laws. According to a 1990 Gallup poll, nearly eight in 10 said laws covering the sale of firearms should be stricter, while 19 percent said they should remain the same or be loosened. Last year, 43 percent favored tighter gun laws, and 55 percent said they should stay the same or be made more lenient.
And voters rank guns as a low priority in the presidential election. An AP-GfK poll of persuadable voters found only one person who called the gun issue the most important in deciding whom to support for president.
While gun control might be a losing issue for Democrats nationally, Acree, the Chicago pastor, said politicians of both stripes need to show more courage.
"This is the civil rights issue of our day and time," said Acree, who works with a coalition of Chicago clergy that has called on Obama to push for a renewed assault-weapons ban. "We cannot ignore our urban violence crisis, in Chicago and in New York and in Detroit."
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Johnson reported from Chicago. Associated Press writers Alex Katz in New York and Kristen Wyatt in Aurora, Colo., contributed to this report.
Residents of inner-city neighborhoods plagued by gun violence say they feel neglected and ignored even in a presidential election year marked by highly publicized shootings at a Colorado movie theater, a Sikh temple in Wisconsin and outside the Empire State Building - a year in which Republicans have launched a full-throated defense of gun ownership while Democrats have largely kept quiet about an issue they used to put front and center.
"People are being gunned down. Nobody's talking about it. But both parties want our votes," said the Rev. Ira Acree of Greater St. John Bible Church in Chicago. Acree lives in the city's Austin neighborhood, where 7-year-old Heaven Sutton was killed by a stray bullet as she was selling snow cones.
Gunfire frequently pierces the neighborhood. Nearly two dozen people have died this year, and children in his congregation are afraid to walk outside. Citywide, homicides are up sharply from 2011, though still way down from their historic highs in the early 1990s.
"It's a state of emergency here in Chicago," Acree said. "We want all hands on deck. That includes the president."
But within the national Democratic Party - the traditional home of urban voters like Acree - the voices calling for gun control are silent again this year. Jobs and the economy have muted discussion of other issues, while public opinion has swung sharply against restrictions on gun ownership.
Even some urban voters are openly hostile to gun control, viewing it as unilateral disarmament, and a steep long-term decline in violent crime has removed some of the impetus for action.
President Barack Obama did touch briefly on the gun issue a few days after a man opened fire at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., killing 12 and wounding 58. In a speech to the National Urban League, Obama declared that assault-style weapons like the AK-47 "belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities," and "we should leave no stone unturned" in the effort to keep young people safe.
But his spokesman later said that while Obama wants Congress to reinstitute a federal ban on military-style assault weapons that lapsed in 2004, the president is not pushing for it. And the Democratic Party, which holds its national convention starting Tuesday in Charlotte, N.C., is not saying whether it will strengthen its stance on gun controls.
Republicans, meanwhile, strengthened the gun-rights section of their party platform as they met in Tampa, Fla., this week to nominate Mitt Romney for president, endorsing so-called "stand-your-ground" laws and unlimited bullet capacities in guns.
Since the July 20 theater massacre, there have been at least four more high-profile spasms of gun violence in public places: the rampage at a Sikh temple in a Milwaukee suburb, the deadly shooting outside the Empire State Building, a shooting inside a cafeteria on the first day of school near Baltimore, and one at a New Jersey supermarket on Friday that left three people dead, including the gunman - who authorities said used a rifle similar to an AK-47.
While those crimes grabbed the headlines, far less visible is the gun violence that continues unabated in some poor urban neighborhoods.
In gritty north Philadelphia, where police Officer Moses Walker was shot to death Aug. 18 while walking home from his shift, residents said they are tired of it - tired of the ubiquity of guns, tired of feeling afraid - but are not sure whom to blame. Many continue to support Obama but want to see him talking more about gun control.
Keisha Walker, 28, a day care worker and mother of two children, ages 3 and 8, said people can't do simple things like run errands or go to the recreation center.
"It's sad. You can't walk to the corner store," said Walker, who was overseeing kids at a playground. "You limit your kids to the things they can do because of the violence."
Nearby, sitting on her front porch and keeping a close eye on a group of children, 32-year-old Fatima Sutton acknowledged that much of the political emphasis is on jobs but said leaders shouldn't disregard the scourge of gun violence.
Like many here, she favors stricter gun laws. But she's not sure they would make much difference.
"The whole situation is frustrating," said Sutton, a mother of six. "I am at a loss for words."
In the Harlem neighborhood of Manhattan, Henry Domingo was just as fatalistic. Domingo, 26, said shootings occur so frequently that he often worries about his family getting caught in the crossfire.
"The problem is, it's not controllable," said Domingo, adding his neighborhood is flooded with illegal guns that criminals bring in from Southern states to sell. He said elected officials at any level of government couldn't tame the gun violence if they tried.
"They could be tougher with their gun laws. But to get in control of this? That's not possible," he said. "It's easy to get a gun out here. Very easy."
But Garry McCann, who belongs to the National Rifle Association and owns four permitted guns, said shootings like the one at the Empire State Building wouldn't happen if citizens could more easily protect themselves with legal weapons.
"If I were there, I would've put two bullets in the shooter's head," said McCann, 60, of Manhattan.
He added: "Innocent people are getting killed. I don't know what needs to be done. But taking the guns out of the hands of responsible people like me, that's not the way. Then only the bad guys will be left with guns."
In Colorado, Troy Teeter, a 40-year-old youth pastor who knows some of the young people who witnessed the theater massacre in Aurora, scoffed at the notion that public officials should do anything to prevent gun violence.
"I don't think there's anything that can be done about it. Certainly not by a politician," he said.
His attitude is reflected in polling data that show a decisive shift away from tougher gun laws. According to a 1990 Gallup poll, nearly eight in 10 said laws covering the sale of firearms should be stricter, while 19 percent said they should remain the same or be loosened. Last year, 43 percent favored tighter gun laws, and 55 percent said they should stay the same or be made more lenient.
And voters rank guns as a low priority in the presidential election. An AP-GfK poll of persuadable voters found only one person who called the gun issue the most important in deciding whom to support for president.
While gun control might be a losing issue for Democrats nationally, Acree, the Chicago pastor, said politicians of both stripes need to show more courage.
"This is the civil rights issue of our day and time," said Acree, who works with a coalition of Chicago clergy that has called on Obama to push for a renewed assault-weapons ban. "We cannot ignore our urban violence crisis, in Chicago and in New York and in Detroit."
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Johnson reported from Chicago. Associated Press writers Alex Katz in New York and Kristen Wyatt in Aurora, Colo., contributed to this report.
 I find It hilarious when someone against guns post here.. They want to trample your 2nd amendment rights while using there 1st amendment rights.. which were won thru the use of guns...
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I love the poster "Put your pants up, and your guns down". Â When it comes to gun control, I like it the way it is with law abiding citizens. Â However, with illegally obtained guns, I'm completely with the idea of a 20 year prison sentence for the first offense. Â It would clearly send a message to the criminals that says "Don't even think about owning one". Â There is no justification to illegally own a gun.Â
 @eichler34 I agree and would also vote to raise taxes to pay for jailing the offenders in Federal prison.Â
This is a much bigger issue than just gun control. The state of our country right now is the main cause of all this chaos, violence, mayhem. The deterioration of the economy and country is to blame. The solution isn't stricter gun control, the solution is to quit cutting the budgets and funding of law enforcement.Â
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Fact is, there are more people than ever in this country and nowhere near enough law enforcement officials to help maintain the peace. (And it doesn't help when you have corrupt police departments beating the eff out of people just because they can.)
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I tried to locate a police to citizen ratio, and this is what I found. I don't know how accurate it is but according to this chart, Washington ranked 2nd for the lowest amount of cops per thousand citizens.
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@Tattooed_Angel You really are an angel! Thank you for supporting LE. Both my wife and I are gun owners, I am a former sheriff, and did firearms training free of charge for our neighborhood watch group while we lived in WA. I would like to point out that Chicago and New York already have some of the strictest restrictions on guns in the United States, yet they are the leaders in gun violence. We don't have a gun problem, we have as you pointed out a very bad ecconomy and desperate people.Â
How about a sign that says 'Parents keep your little hoodlums at home and be a PARENT and quit pushing out more kids for more welfare'.
 @WARevolution That would require these so called "parents" to accept personal responsibility, and put the 40oz Old E down long enough to actually PARENT, and in our "gimme gimme gimme" society we live in, it'll never happen. Now, start drug testing welfare wombats and kicking them off the public dole for testing positive would be a good START. If I have to be drug tested to WORK for a living, they should be tested before receiving the money I work for.
What? Buck the gun lobby and quoters of the second amendment who want their guns but never seem have them on their person when it counts and yet fear that any kind of legislation to control guns from following as freely as the copper penny would hampen their rights? What are these people thinking? Besides too many people talk now and then suffer amnesia after they are elected so I would recommend investing in the Purple Shield plan until heck does finally freeze over and we get some enforceable gun control on the federal books.
The inner city urban areas of the country which have the strictest gun laws and regulations also have the highest incidence of gun violence and it's all the NRA's fault. Those same inner city areas also have the highest incidence of violent crime of all types even with the largest police forces in the world and yet the citizens are at the most risk.
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Tell me once again why I should give up my 'Right' to self-defense and wait around for an over worked police force to protect me.
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Stricter gun laws don't work so well for Chicago and didn't work at all for Washington DC. Why on earth would anyone believe that doubling down on failure would work better?
 @LockesChild They might work a little better if one tooth dudes in redneck states stopped selling 30 guns to any comer with a clean enough record fronting for a criminal.Â
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 @Citizen#3457899654  @LockesChild Might also work if you were a bit less of an abvious bigot, but it would also be nice if the BATFE would not enable the gun sale to Mexican drug cartels, too, and if big city cops and pols were not so corrupt, and if we didn't encourage high profits in the drug trade via prohibition. You Do realize, don't you, that the roots of gun control has always been about controlling the "undesirables" from getting them? The organized crime folks, the rich, the politically connected, and their useful idiots will ALWAYS have guns. Laws are for the average honest working stiff.
 @LockesChild See the 44%  still for President Chair...
 @Sid Vishess  @LockesChild yeah just wait til slimey gets in there. all this gun violence will go away.
No matter what laws you make, only those who follow the laws will be affected. The general consensus of the article demonstrates that. Even those in favor of gun control laws know any new laws are not going to do anything to curb the inner city violence.
 @JeepRex  'No matter what laws you make, only those who follow the laws will be affected'
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Oh really? Laws are one of the ways society strives for stability, no?.  It seems absence of law = anarchy.Â
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The law says the speed limit on I-5 is 60 mph. I drive the speed limit. How am I affected by following this law? Am I adversely affected? How about the speeder who is stopped by the WSP and cited for breaking the law... is he affected or not? With respect to gun crime and laws already on the books, are gun owners adversely affected by those laws? How about the criminal who commits the gun crime?
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How about some clarification of your statement?
@tufa23Â Â Do you really think someone who is willing to commit murder is going to avoid using a gun because it's illegal for them to use it in the commission of a crime?
 @tufa23 He was pointing out that those who use firearms for legitimate purposes--including self-defense-would be the only ones affected by stricter laws or even banning civilian ownership of firearms.
 @tufa23  @JeepRex I think he was getting to the point that no amount of laws will prevent gun violence. If the current laws were enforced and gun crimes were punished much much more harshly gun crime would go down. new laws wont prevent guns being used that are already in circulation.
 @JeepRex Disarming the law-abiding works so well. After all, then they are defenseless and having to wait for the police to show up to identify the victims and document the crime.
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that works so well.
Good article. The absurdity of the whole NRA culture comes across for what it is and in the wider press it is interesting to find out there is support within minority communities in New York for stop and frisk and a call to start a dialog about gun access, the pipeline of guns being bought legally in easy states by a clean accomplices and then sold off to criminals etc. This is a public health and safety crisis. A study about how the level of gun violence in some of the toughest favellas in large Brazilian cities was reduced and how guns were largely cleaned up out of many of those slums is something you have to search hard for in the American press but it illustrates the subject is not so one sided , inevitable, or hopeless.Â
@Citizen#3457899654 Yeah, you might want to go back and read that study again. There was a control measure passed in 2004 that restricted the carrying of firearms outside the home. It also required that all firearms be registered.Â
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But, there are still more illegal firearms in the country that legal. And, they still have one of the highest rates of gun violence in the western hemisphere, despite the new, very restrictive gun laws.
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Incidentally, the Brazillian government and several anti-gun organizations (including the UN) recently tried to float a referendum for an outright ban on civilian gun ownership. This referendum failed the popular vote by a wide margin, with many questioning the government's motivation and U.N. involvment.
 @Citizen#3457899654 Read more into that Brazilian gun siezure bud. They confiscated every gun, even legal owned guns in the name of "protection". Is that what you want in this country? Police knocking on doors and seizing guns from people who have never done anything wrong? Don't like it ,move.
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Oh where to begin... Let's start with New York and their "stop and frisk" as you call it. What are the Police basing their stopping on? Random persons? Hardly seems like that complies with the unreasonable search amendment. After all a wise man once said "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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You also state there is a "pipeline of guns being bought legally in easy states by a clean accomplice and then sold off to criminals". I would hardly consider someone who does this to be clean, as you choose to categorize them. They are far from clean, they just haven't been caught yet.
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I disagree with most everything you post. I'm not wrapped up in the whole NRA culture. You might want to think about re-categorizing those you hate on. It seems as if your missing some opportunities to lump some of us into wide unsubstantiated stereotypes.
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 @Citizen#3457899654 So we should all drop out pants and give up.
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Stupid people with guns will not go away. Legislate to remove guns, you then have the same morons that abuse them, with them. They do not give a rat's flatulence about any law.
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Black communities screaming somebody else, outside of themselves, has to take care of them?
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How about confront the enemy in the mirror and refuse to be a victim. Nah, that does not pay.
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Culture is in yogurt. NRA is to defend against tyranny. Like liberal despots and cerebral lofty idiots, who are kept by those better. To defend free speech and fight against being subjects.
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To have a line and refuse to be a Marxist.
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Define NRA culture. I bet it is your bigoted view of a person wanting to be free. I bet is it based on total bovine fodder, feel good hugs and empty rhetoric.
"Put your pants up!! And your guns down!!"
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Slogan of the year!
 @Pahana Sorry, due to new speech restrictions, telling someone to pull their pants up is a racist code-word. Please report to Mandatory Sensitivities Training  at Dear Leader Building, Room 101.
I thought that was 'glorious leader'. I guess I gotta get up to date.
 @WARevolution Not sure what Kim Jong un is known as now. Kim Jong Il was Glorious leader and Dear Leader. His father is known as The Great Leader.