Obama: He and Boehner 'pretty close' to a deal

WASHINGTON (AP) - Optimistic despite a tightening deadline, President Barack Obama says he and Speaker John Boehner are "pretty close" to a grand fiscal deal that would avoid a first-of-the-year shock to the economy, but says congressional Republicans "keep on finding ways to say no as opposed to finding ways to say yes."
Obama cast a resolution to the "fiscal cliff" as a matter of political will. He said in the aftermath of the massacre of school children in Connecticut, the nation deserves a compromise by its political leaders.
"Goodness, if this past week has done anything, it should just give us some perspective," he said. And he urged lawmakers to "peel off the partisan war paint" and strike a deal.
Obama spoke to reporters at the White House after announcing an administration-wide response to Friday's shooting at an elementary school in Newtown that killed 26 people including 20 first graders.
His comments came shortly after the White House threatened to veto Boehner's backup plan for averting the "fiscal cliff." Boehner's measure, a so-called Plan B, would block tax increases from being triggered Jan. 1 on everyone but those whose incomes exceed $1 million.
Boehner is planning a House vote on his proposal on Thursday, hoping it would raise pressure on President Barack Obama to make concessions as both sides continue reaching for a bipartisan deal on averting the "fiscal cliff." Without an agreement among lawmakers, broad tax increases on nearly all taxpayers and budget-wide spending cuts will be triggered in early January.
Obama, however, dismissed Boehner's proposal, saying it would not provide unemployment insurance for 2 million jobless Americans and would result in higher taxes for families that benefit from various tax credits.
"That violates the core principles that were debated during the course of this election and that the American people determined was the wrong way to go," Obama said. Instead, Obama said, he and Boehner in their own talks had moved significantly toward each other before talks reached a lull on Tuesday.
"What separates us is probably a few hundred billion dollars," Obama said. "The idea that we would put our economy at risk because you can't bridge that gap doesn't make a lot of sense."
Boehner spokesman Brendan Buck said White House opposition to the GOP backup plan "is growing more bizarre and irrational by the day." He said Republicans prefer a deficit-cutting plan that is balanced between tax increases and spending cuts, but Obama has yet to offer such a proposal.
"If Democrats disapprove of this bill, then there is a simple solution: amend it in the Senate and send it back to the House," Buck said in a written statement.
Senior administration officials said there have been no talks advancing the negotiations on a big fiscal cliff deal since Monday, after Boehner called Obama to say he was going to take a Plan B to the House. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the negotiations.
In the absence of a deal with Obama, Boehner's Plan B is attracting support from Republicans eager to cast a vote preventing tax increases on as many people as possible.
Boehner's prospects for pushing Plan B through the House received a boost Wednesday when anti-tax activist Grover Norquist said the measure would not violate his anti-tax pledge, which most GOP members of Congress have signed.
Norquist said the "sole purpose" of Plan B is to prevent tax increases - not mentioning that it would allow higher taxes on people earning over $1 million, which until recently had been a non-starter among Republicans.
But Club for Growth, a conservative group that often finances challengers to Republicans it considers too moderate, urged lawmakers to oppose Plan B because it would raise taxes on the wealthy, as well as on capital gains and dividends.
Obama's latest offer - focusing tax boosts on incomes above $400,000 - would affect nearly 1.1 million taxpayers. Limiting the tax boosts to income exceeding $1 million would target just 237,000 households, according to the latest Internal Revenue Service figures for 2009.
Boehner's backup plan could serve other purposes besides letting GOP supporters vote to protect more than 99 percent of taxpayers from paying higher levies.
Allowing a vote on Plan B might increase GOP support for a negotiated compromise with Obama. Some Republicans might feel more comfortable supporting an accord with Obama - which would likely include more tax increases than they want - after being given a chance to vote for Boehner's narrower tax increase on millionaires because it would let them show voters that they preferred a smaller tax boost.
Even so, House GOP leaders are laboring to line up enough support for the backup measure in the face of conservatives reluctant to boost anyone's taxes. Even if it could survive in the House, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has declared it dead in his chamber and now the White House has promised to veto it should it somehow reach Obama's desk.
The backup plan by Boehner would do nothing to head off deep cuts in defense and domestic programs scheduled to begin taking effect in January. And it contains none of the spending reductions that both Obama and Boehner have proposed in their efforts to strike a compromise.
"The speaker is trying to get as much leverage as he can to deal with the president," said Rep. Charles Boustany, R-La., describing the pressure Republicans were hoping it would put on the White House. But he added that he wasn't sure the plan was the best way to get that leverage.
"I'm still trying to figure that out," Boustany said.
Others were more supportive. Rep. Patrick Tiberi, R-Ohio, said Plan B would let Republicans vote to protect as many people as possible from tax hikes while leaving Democrats with the blame if it failed.
If the Senate decides not to vote on the House bill or ignores it, "That's not our problem," Tiberi said. "The ball's in Harry Reid's court."
Besides letting tax rates rise only on incomes exceeding $1 million, Boehner's Plan B also would boost the top rate on capital gains and dividends from their current 15 percent to 20 percent for earnings over $1 million, preventing higher increases. It would continue current tax levels on inherited estates - less than Obama wants - and prevent the alternative minimum tax from raising taxes owed by 28 million middle- and upper-class families.
Boehner unveiled his backup plan on Tuesday. He did so even though he and Obama have come tantalizingly close to finding a politically palatable combination of revenue increases and budget savings that could slice around $2 trillion from projected federal deficits over the coming decade.
Both sides say those efforts will continue.
Obama has reduced his demands for tax increases to $1.2 trillion over 10 years, to be imposed on incomes exceeding $400,000 annually. In so doing, the president abandoned his campaign season insistence that he would raise taxes on individuals earning over $200,000 and couples making more than $250,000.
Boehner has boosted his revenue offer to $1 trillion, including raising income tax rates on incomes over $1 million. That is a major concession from the leader of a party that has made opposition to higher rates a fundamental tenet for a quarter century.
"I think it's a mistake for the Republican Party," said Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, a leader of House conservatives. "So that's what I think a lot of members are struggling with."
Obama has also departed from his party's orthodoxy by proposing smaller annual cost-of-living increases for Social Security recipients. The new formula for measuring inflation would affect other benefit programs as well and push more people into higher income tax brackets.
The president's embrace of a plan that would over time cut Social Security benefits has aroused outcries from liberal groups that defend programs for the elderly and poor and that generally support Democrats.
___
Associated Press writers Andrew Taylor, Jim Kuhnhenn and Stephen Ohlemacher contributed to this report.
Obama cast a resolution to the "fiscal cliff" as a matter of political will. He said in the aftermath of the massacre of school children in Connecticut, the nation deserves a compromise by its political leaders.
"Goodness, if this past week has done anything, it should just give us some perspective," he said. And he urged lawmakers to "peel off the partisan war paint" and strike a deal.
Obama spoke to reporters at the White House after announcing an administration-wide response to Friday's shooting at an elementary school in Newtown that killed 26 people including 20 first graders.
His comments came shortly after the White House threatened to veto Boehner's backup plan for averting the "fiscal cliff." Boehner's measure, a so-called Plan B, would block tax increases from being triggered Jan. 1 on everyone but those whose incomes exceed $1 million.
Boehner is planning a House vote on his proposal on Thursday, hoping it would raise pressure on President Barack Obama to make concessions as both sides continue reaching for a bipartisan deal on averting the "fiscal cliff." Without an agreement among lawmakers, broad tax increases on nearly all taxpayers and budget-wide spending cuts will be triggered in early January.
Obama, however, dismissed Boehner's proposal, saying it would not provide unemployment insurance for 2 million jobless Americans and would result in higher taxes for families that benefit from various tax credits.
"That violates the core principles that were debated during the course of this election and that the American people determined was the wrong way to go," Obama said. Instead, Obama said, he and Boehner in their own talks had moved significantly toward each other before talks reached a lull on Tuesday.
"What separates us is probably a few hundred billion dollars," Obama said. "The idea that we would put our economy at risk because you can't bridge that gap doesn't make a lot of sense."
Boehner spokesman Brendan Buck said White House opposition to the GOP backup plan "is growing more bizarre and irrational by the day." He said Republicans prefer a deficit-cutting plan that is balanced between tax increases and spending cuts, but Obama has yet to offer such a proposal.
"If Democrats disapprove of this bill, then there is a simple solution: amend it in the Senate and send it back to the House," Buck said in a written statement.
Senior administration officials said there have been no talks advancing the negotiations on a big fiscal cliff deal since Monday, after Boehner called Obama to say he was going to take a Plan B to the House. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the negotiations.
In the absence of a deal with Obama, Boehner's Plan B is attracting support from Republicans eager to cast a vote preventing tax increases on as many people as possible.
Boehner's prospects for pushing Plan B through the House received a boost Wednesday when anti-tax activist Grover Norquist said the measure would not violate his anti-tax pledge, which most GOP members of Congress have signed.
Norquist said the "sole purpose" of Plan B is to prevent tax increases - not mentioning that it would allow higher taxes on people earning over $1 million, which until recently had been a non-starter among Republicans.
But Club for Growth, a conservative group that often finances challengers to Republicans it considers too moderate, urged lawmakers to oppose Plan B because it would raise taxes on the wealthy, as well as on capital gains and dividends.
Obama's latest offer - focusing tax boosts on incomes above $400,000 - would affect nearly 1.1 million taxpayers. Limiting the tax boosts to income exceeding $1 million would target just 237,000 households, according to the latest Internal Revenue Service figures for 2009.
Boehner's backup plan could serve other purposes besides letting GOP supporters vote to protect more than 99 percent of taxpayers from paying higher levies.
Allowing a vote on Plan B might increase GOP support for a negotiated compromise with Obama. Some Republicans might feel more comfortable supporting an accord with Obama - which would likely include more tax increases than they want - after being given a chance to vote for Boehner's narrower tax increase on millionaires because it would let them show voters that they preferred a smaller tax boost.
Even so, House GOP leaders are laboring to line up enough support for the backup measure in the face of conservatives reluctant to boost anyone's taxes. Even if it could survive in the House, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has declared it dead in his chamber and now the White House has promised to veto it should it somehow reach Obama's desk.
The backup plan by Boehner would do nothing to head off deep cuts in defense and domestic programs scheduled to begin taking effect in January. And it contains none of the spending reductions that both Obama and Boehner have proposed in their efforts to strike a compromise.
"The speaker is trying to get as much leverage as he can to deal with the president," said Rep. Charles Boustany, R-La., describing the pressure Republicans were hoping it would put on the White House. But he added that he wasn't sure the plan was the best way to get that leverage.
"I'm still trying to figure that out," Boustany said.
Others were more supportive. Rep. Patrick Tiberi, R-Ohio, said Plan B would let Republicans vote to protect as many people as possible from tax hikes while leaving Democrats with the blame if it failed.
If the Senate decides not to vote on the House bill or ignores it, "That's not our problem," Tiberi said. "The ball's in Harry Reid's court."
Besides letting tax rates rise only on incomes exceeding $1 million, Boehner's Plan B also would boost the top rate on capital gains and dividends from their current 15 percent to 20 percent for earnings over $1 million, preventing higher increases. It would continue current tax levels on inherited estates - less than Obama wants - and prevent the alternative minimum tax from raising taxes owed by 28 million middle- and upper-class families.
Boehner unveiled his backup plan on Tuesday. He did so even though he and Obama have come tantalizingly close to finding a politically palatable combination of revenue increases and budget savings that could slice around $2 trillion from projected federal deficits over the coming decade.
Both sides say those efforts will continue.
Obama has reduced his demands for tax increases to $1.2 trillion over 10 years, to be imposed on incomes exceeding $400,000 annually. In so doing, the president abandoned his campaign season insistence that he would raise taxes on individuals earning over $200,000 and couples making more than $250,000.
Boehner has boosted his revenue offer to $1 trillion, including raising income tax rates on incomes over $1 million. That is a major concession from the leader of a party that has made opposition to higher rates a fundamental tenet for a quarter century.
"I think it's a mistake for the Republican Party," said Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, a leader of House conservatives. "So that's what I think a lot of members are struggling with."
Obama has also departed from his party's orthodoxy by proposing smaller annual cost-of-living increases for Social Security recipients. The new formula for measuring inflation would affect other benefit programs as well and push more people into higher income tax brackets.
The president's embrace of a plan that would over time cut Social Security benefits has aroused outcries from liberal groups that defend programs for the elderly and poor and that generally support Democrats.
___
Associated Press writers Andrew Taylor, Jim Kuhnhenn and Stephen Ohlemacher contributed to this report.
The republicans give away the store again. Nothing new- they just talk. Looters win.
I say let it crash. Tell Obama to go suck eggs and close the door. Enough BS. Over, done. Already gone.
Â
Obama never wanted to deal with anyone. He is the tiny god. You must bow at his elitist unqualified toes.
Â
His insistence to deny any deal before presented says it all. Screw Obama. He is borrowing us to Hell.
Dont give up yet Boehner, I am sure he can find more of our benefits to give away. You can always tell when Obama is about ready to capitulate on his "Wont budge" positions, he always says he wont budge and then gives it all away and then some.
Â
Look how he turned single payer into the biggest gift the insurance industry ever got at our expense.
Â
He said he would close Gitmo and return the states to no torture, then he open Bahgran and has 120 people stuck there for daily torture.
Â
Look at how he said the patriot act was so terrible and then adds the NDAA to it on Dec. 31st in a sneak move.
Â
Obama a bigger right wing moron then Bush was. We need unemployed US workers running for office, you know, the ones that had their jobs offshored and their sons killed in unlawful wars.
As an American sick of clowns in power, I would like to offer the white house and congress something.
Â
An eviction notice.Â
Â
This is not the land my father fought for, nor my blood relatives that came on the Mayflower, nor my direct relative William Bradford bravely governed. Embracing sin and total sewer filth. So much so, we make it law.
Â
The worst thing this country did, was ban GOD.  This nation is in judgement. GOD has no special favor of America.  Only prayer and repentance will work.
Â
Paul Revere would be screaming at us. Washington, vomiting and Franklin running back to France.
Â
Christmas is about THE SAVIOR. Read the book of John. Be on the winning side and take this nation back.
 @pbs7mm People celebrated this season before there were christians, they just claim it as their own - whatever works for them.
 @pbs7mm God is on welfare in this country. Pre tax welfare, tax deductions for money given to churches, should be eliminated or reduced. If the money isn't being used for charity let those who donate pay income tax on it first. Why should government be supporting religion with tax deduction?
"Obama: He and Boehner 'pretty close' to a deal"
Â
There are a whole lot of Senators and Representatives that don't see their way.
So much for compromise.
Â
 @bobalouie Oh, its compromise. As long as the Republicans do what the Democrats want. Obama is quick to note the Republicans saying NO. What have they said yes to? And what have the Dems said NO to? What a joke. And the people of this country fell for it AGAIN
 @bobalouie Did anyone expect any different? Is anybody surprised? Oh, well nothing but the scraps for you and I.
Interest on National Debt FY 2012 = over $200 billion. Cost of  Iraq and Afghanistan wars $1.4 Trillion.
Neither plan will work. To little too late.
I thoughts Republicans typically opposed Plan B!.... oh wait thatâs only if youâre a woman.
How about reducing our Three Branches of Government's size, pay and benefits before considering fleecing American citizens for their collective failures?
Republicans, Democrats......everyone on both sides are laughing when they are off camera about how stupid people that believe in the 2 party system are while the fleece us for all we have. Neither are serious about cutting spending, which is exactly what needs to be done. Raising taxes without spending cuts will not work, and will just screw the producer class out of more of our hard earned money while the dependent class will just waste everything given to them because they don't have to earn it.Â
Â
"We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle." - Winston Churchill
Â
Why do none of these people learn from the past?
 @dg54321 Government Budgeting 101 spend everything and more........ come back next year and ask for more....
 @dg54321 Psst..... America already went over the Fiscal Cliff the moment Bush jr. was elected to office.... It's all over but the sniveling, whimpering and blaming will continue.
I wish the president wouldn't cave to the Republican's demands, he needs to move taxes back to the level they were during Clinton's administration on people making more than $250k, or let the Republican's push us over the cliff and then it's on them. If Boener does that to the country, they will never get another Republican elected and we can just say good-bye to that party.
 @justmyopinion How did millionaires and billionaires become defined as $250K per year?
And best scenarios have revenues about $100B. Now, where is the rest of the money going to come from? Â No fair citing Future Unicorn Cuts.
 @Getov Mylon  @justmyopinion The whitehouse web site says they expect in 2013 to spend 1.2 trillion more than they take in. Now if we tax as they propose and raise the 82 billion they say they will then where will the other 1.1 trillion come from? Mind you this is just to break even not actually do anything about the debt. I hear liberals whine all day about how much Bush spent but are completely silent about the ridiculous levels of spending by their chosen one. Hypocrisy at its best, and idiocy at its worst. The country cannot sustain this level of spending forever. Its going to come crashing down regardless of where the market is today etc. We could have done something about it but Novembers election pretty much killed that.
I don't want to go over a 'Fiscal Cliff', but that seems to be better than the Abyss that President Obama is determined to take us. We will be hard pressed to ever pay back the Trillions of $$ that both Bush and Obama have made us to owe.
If you cut spending, you don't have to raise taxes on anybody.
This guy looks more and more like Mr Burns.
So, it's ok for him to use a Plan B?
Typical Republican grandstanding. Get real and increase the rates of those making 250,000 and above.
 @Rentonmark How about they pay at the same rate you do?
 @Getov Mylon  @Rentonmark I would love to see them pay the same rate I do. I am middle class and pay a higher rate than those that make millions from their capital gains and dividends instead of working for a living. Get a flat rate tax with no deductions for everyone!
 @4ShotLatte  @Rentonmark You're right. We should eliminate the corporate tax and that way dividends won't be double taxed. All we have to agree on is a standard deduction and flat rate and we're good to go.
@Getov Mylon If I made that much, I would be happy to. How about you?
 @orc So the Party that did NOT write tax laws that favor the rich and corporations is to blame?
Â
Okaaayyy.
 @Getov Mylon "By the way, for most of the last century, it has been the Blue Team writing tax law."  That comment is worthless.  You're implying that the republicans are for the little guy and that is blatantly false.
Â
 "He paid more in one year than I'll make in a lifetime."  Yea he paid more in taxes but at a much lower rate.  I'm surprised that your ok with that.
Â
 @orc  @Rentonmark Nope! He paid more in one year than I'll make in a lifetime.  Good on him.
Â
By the way, for most of the last century, it has been the Blue Team writing tax laws. You know, for the little guy...
 @Getov Mylon  @Rentonmark Do you have a problem with Romney paying less than 15%?
 @Rentonmark Anybody pencil out how this will work for say, single California cardiac surgeons?Â
Â
Let's see 40% rate Federal plus State Millionaire Tax 12.3%. So... we have over a 50% marginal rate for income over $500,000. I would guess that the good doctors will bust their hump until they reach that figure, to pay for the trophy wife and the Mercedes, then just take time off so as not to A) increase their tax burden working ungodly hours and B) so as not to raise any child support or alimony payments to the practice wife)
Â
But in the static Progressive mind, there are no unintended consequences. So you could raise the rates to 100% and people would not move or cut their workload.
Â
Yeah, that's it. 100% tax rates for everybody making over $100,000 (the New Millionaire!) I know I'll put in the extra time just soze I  can give my money to the Loser Class.
 @Rentonmark  @Getov I guess that's something you don't have to worry about. Once  again, under what moral authority can you demand someone else pay a higher RATE than yourself.
Â
"Hey! Mr.Millionaire making $250,000 annually! Get back to work! I need you to pay more taxes so I can get stuff."