Police: 7 dead in shootings at Sikh temple in Wisconsin
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OAK CREEK, Wis. (AP) — A gunman opened fire Sunday and killed six people at a Sikh temple near Milwaukee before he was killed in an exchange of gunfire with one of the first officers to respond to the chaotic scene, authorities said.
The shootings happened before 10:30 a.m., as several dozen people gathered at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin for Sunday services. Hours of uncertainty followed as police in tactical gear and carrying assault rifles surrounded the temple with armored vehicles and ambulances, and witnesses struggled with unrealized fears that multiple gunman had taken hostages inside.
"We never thought this could happen to our community," said Devendar Nagra, 48, Mount Pleasant, whose sister escaped injury by hiding in the temple's kitchen. Other women and children barricaded themselves in closets. "We never did anything wrong to anyone."
The first official word from police was that they didn't know how many victims or suspects were involved. But after an extensive search of the temple, authorities said they did not believe there was more than one shooter.
At a news conference late Sunday afternoon, Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards released no information about the suspect, including his identity or a possible motive. Edwards said the FBI will lead the investigation because the shootings are being treated as an act of domestic terrorism.
Jatin Der Mangat, 38, of Racine, said his uncle Satwant Singh Kaleka, the temple's president, was one of those shot, but he didn't know the extent of Kaleka's injuries. When he later learned of the deaths, Mangat said "it was like the heart just sat down."
"This shouldn't happen anywhere," he said.
Edwards said the gunman "ambushed" one of the first officers to arrive at the temple as the officer tended to a victim outside, and shot the officer multiple times. A second officer then exchanged gunfire with the suspect and fatally shot him. Police had earlier said the officer who was shot killed the suspected shooter.
Tactical units went through the building and found four people dead inside the temple and two outside, in addition to the shooter. Two others were wounded along with the police officer, Edwards said.
The three wounded were being treated at an area trauma center. Greenfield Police Chief Bradley Wentlandt, who assisted the investigation, said the police officer had surgery and is expected to survive.
Police released few details about victims, but family members talked about discussions with some of those inside.
Sukhwindar Nagra, of Racine, said he called his brother-in-law's phone and a priest at the temple answered and told him that his brother-in-law had been shot, along with three priests.
Gurpreet Kaur, 24, of Oak Creek, said her mother and a group of about 14 other women were preparing a meal in the temple kitchen when the gunman entered and started firing. Kaur said her mother felt two bullets fly by her as the group fled to the pantry. Her mother suffered what Kaur thought was shrapnel wound in her foot.
Many Sikhs in the U.S. worship on Sundays at a temple, or gurdwara, and a typical service consists of meditation and singing in a prayer room where worshippers remove their shoes and sit on the floor. Worshippers gather afterward for a meal that also is open to community members, regardless of their religious beliefs.
Kaur said she spent the afternoon serving as a translator between law enforcement and survivors at a nearby bowling alley where people had been taken from the temple.
"These are people I've grown up with," she said. "They're like aunts and uncles to me. To see our community to go through something like this in numbing."
Sixteen-year-old LeRon Bridges, of Oak Creek, works at the bowling alley and said he was in a supply closet when he heard four gunshots. He looked outside, saw police coming and went to get his boss.
"There were more and more police showing up," he said. "They all pulled out their assault rifles and ran toward the building."
Bridges said police brought people over from the temple in two armored trucks. At one point, about 50 to 60 people were at the bowling alley, including police officers questioning witnesses and paramedics treating victims' wounds, he said.
"They were just hysterical," Bridges said. "There were kids. One big load came out of the truck."
Sikhism is a monotheistic faith founded more than 500 years ago in South Asia. It has roughly 27 million followers worldwide. Observant Sikhs do not cut their hair; male followers often cover their heads with turbans — which are considered sacred — and refrain from shaving their beards. There are roughly 500,000 Sikhs in the U.S., according to estimates. The majority worldwide live in India.
The Sikh Temple of Wisconsin started in 1997 with about 25 families who gathered in community halls in Milwaukee. Construction on the current temple in Oak Creek began in 2006, according to the temple's website.
Sikh rights groups have reported a rise in bias attacks since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The Washington-based Sikh Coalition has reported more than 700 incidents in the U.S. since 9/11, which advocates blame on anti-Islamic sentiment. Sikhs don't practice the same religion as Muslims, but their long beards and turbans often cause them to be mistaken for Muslims, advocates say.
Police in New York and Chicago issued statements saying that, as a precaution, they were giving Sikh temples in those cities additional attention. The Wisconsin shooting came two weeks after a gunman killed 12 people at movie theater in Colorado.
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Associated Press writers Gretchen Ehlke in Milwaukee, Pat Condon in Minneapolis and Sophia Tareen and Michelle Janaye Nealy in Chicago contributed to this report.
The shootings happened before 10:30 a.m., as several dozen people gathered at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin for Sunday services. Hours of uncertainty followed as police in tactical gear and carrying assault rifles surrounded the temple with armored vehicles and ambulances, and witnesses struggled with unrealized fears that multiple gunman had taken hostages inside.
"We never thought this could happen to our community," said Devendar Nagra, 48, Mount Pleasant, whose sister escaped injury by hiding in the temple's kitchen. Other women and children barricaded themselves in closets. "We never did anything wrong to anyone."
The first official word from police was that they didn't know how many victims or suspects were involved. But after an extensive search of the temple, authorities said they did not believe there was more than one shooter.
At a news conference late Sunday afternoon, Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards released no information about the suspect, including his identity or a possible motive. Edwards said the FBI will lead the investigation because the shootings are being treated as an act of domestic terrorism.
Jatin Der Mangat, 38, of Racine, said his uncle Satwant Singh Kaleka, the temple's president, was one of those shot, but he didn't know the extent of Kaleka's injuries. When he later learned of the deaths, Mangat said "it was like the heart just sat down."
"This shouldn't happen anywhere," he said.
Edwards said the gunman "ambushed" one of the first officers to arrive at the temple as the officer tended to a victim outside, and shot the officer multiple times. A second officer then exchanged gunfire with the suspect and fatally shot him. Police had earlier said the officer who was shot killed the suspected shooter.
Tactical units went through the building and found four people dead inside the temple and two outside, in addition to the shooter. Two others were wounded along with the police officer, Edwards said.
The three wounded were being treated at an area trauma center. Greenfield Police Chief Bradley Wentlandt, who assisted the investigation, said the police officer had surgery and is expected to survive.
Police released few details about victims, but family members talked about discussions with some of those inside.
Sukhwindar Nagra, of Racine, said he called his brother-in-law's phone and a priest at the temple answered and told him that his brother-in-law had been shot, along with three priests.
Gurpreet Kaur, 24, of Oak Creek, said her mother and a group of about 14 other women were preparing a meal in the temple kitchen when the gunman entered and started firing. Kaur said her mother felt two bullets fly by her as the group fled to the pantry. Her mother suffered what Kaur thought was shrapnel wound in her foot.
Many Sikhs in the U.S. worship on Sundays at a temple, or gurdwara, and a typical service consists of meditation and singing in a prayer room where worshippers remove their shoes and sit on the floor. Worshippers gather afterward for a meal that also is open to community members, regardless of their religious beliefs.
Kaur said she spent the afternoon serving as a translator between law enforcement and survivors at a nearby bowling alley where people had been taken from the temple.
"These are people I've grown up with," she said. "They're like aunts and uncles to me. To see our community to go through something like this in numbing."
Sixteen-year-old LeRon Bridges, of Oak Creek, works at the bowling alley and said he was in a supply closet when he heard four gunshots. He looked outside, saw police coming and went to get his boss.
"There were more and more police showing up," he said. "They all pulled out their assault rifles and ran toward the building."
Bridges said police brought people over from the temple in two armored trucks. At one point, about 50 to 60 people were at the bowling alley, including police officers questioning witnesses and paramedics treating victims' wounds, he said.
"They were just hysterical," Bridges said. "There were kids. One big load came out of the truck."
Sikhism is a monotheistic faith founded more than 500 years ago in South Asia. It has roughly 27 million followers worldwide. Observant Sikhs do not cut their hair; male followers often cover their heads with turbans — which are considered sacred — and refrain from shaving their beards. There are roughly 500,000 Sikhs in the U.S., according to estimates. The majority worldwide live in India.
The Sikh Temple of Wisconsin started in 1997 with about 25 families who gathered in community halls in Milwaukee. Construction on the current temple in Oak Creek began in 2006, according to the temple's website.
Sikh rights groups have reported a rise in bias attacks since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The Washington-based Sikh Coalition has reported more than 700 incidents in the U.S. since 9/11, which advocates blame on anti-Islamic sentiment. Sikhs don't practice the same religion as Muslims, but their long beards and turbans often cause them to be mistaken for Muslims, advocates say.
Police in New York and Chicago issued statements saying that, as a precaution, they were giving Sikh temples in those cities additional attention. The Wisconsin shooting came two weeks after a gunman killed 12 people at movie theater in Colorado.
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Associated Press writers Gretchen Ehlke in Milwaukee, Pat Condon in Minneapolis and Sophia Tareen and Michelle Janaye Nealy in Chicago contributed to this report.
Hatred begets hatred. Just no words for one man's choice to cause a shocking loss of life.
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My thoughts and prayers go with the victims and their families.
Just another day in the wild west USA!
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this idiot thought he was gonna git some muslims.
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probably a good ol boy, church goin' christian. yessir.
 @SwampThing  "church goin' christian"  Riiiiiiight. Dude put down the bong and sober up.
 @SeattleJoe  @SwampThing Depends on the church, doesn't it? I'm willing to say that a white supremacist represents reasonable Christians and moderate Republicans as much as Eco Terrorists represent Soccer Moms with Obama stickers on their mini-vans. The tribalistic, black and white, all or nothing partisanship must stop. Let's call out the extremists on both sides and shun them, like one would expect decent people to do.
 @OrcasThunder Well said. They are part of the religious mix whether we like it or not. They wouldn't be actual Christians for instance but would have all the trappings etc. Its pretty much universal as it seems every religion has some group of nutjobs. Look at the nation of islam. Louie and his cronies have a similar "God made group X to rule the world" belief and its even seen as ok. Wow.Â
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A majority of the White Supremacists groups do use the belief that God made the White Race to rule the world as the foundation of their claim to power. Look at the klan, the order, the aryan brotherhood - very much with the twisted religious message.
They may not ACT like religions, but they ARE part of the religious mix in this country and around the world. Just look at the similarities between the klan and the Westbro Baptist Church - small group of disconnected people, demonstrate for outrageous viewpoints in places where they think they will attract the most attention (and hope they will provoke a reaction that they can then claim was a violation of their rights) in places where they know their message will be the least appreciated. They disrupt peaceful activities specifically to garner attention from the media.
 @SwampThing Look, I will bash on religious nuts all day long if they have it coming, especially with regard to marriage equality and issues where individuals push their religion in laws.Â
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Can you tell me in the article where it states he was church going? White power loser, absolutely.Â
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so, he was a church going christian white power loser. i was right. calling it as it is is NOT "partisanship".
 @WWRJD  @SwampThing Agreed, there are extremes on both sides. I love it how the grand generalizations are thrown out without the slightest hesitation. You constantly hear about the big bad boogyman that used to be Bush, now its the Tea Party or Christians or in cases like this the NRA, or the Socialists, Communists etc.  Crazy stuff. The political parties have fostered such a deep degree of polarization that now people can't have a civil discourse anymore. People need to think as Americans instead of democrats or republicans.Â
Now we're hearing from law enforcement that the shooter was a white supremacist per ABC and NBC news.
Firstly, my condolences and respects to those who lost someone today.
Secondly, my respects and regards to the surviving victims, the police officers and EMS personnel who responded.
Though you will never know it, my thoughts and prayers are with you all.
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As for the perpetrator of this vicious attack, my personal fear is that it is going to be some senseless White Supremacist Aryan Idiot. This particular brand of white trash hillbilly offends me most because I come from Washington and I'm sick of hearing 'militia compound' jokes about my home.
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Nevertheless, whoever did this is now finding out what God meant by 'Thou Shall Not Murder'. The majority of Americans will agree with me when I say, 'Enjoy your eternity in Hell, you wretched SOB. You earned it.'
Well said, and with eloquence.
@Smokin Bear Thanks. That's nice of you to say. I don't get accused of being 'eloquent' a lot. :)
Another mass shooting and STILL the right wing GOPers wont even consider the need for reforming our gun laws. What will it take to bring these folks to the table to even TALK about this? The murder of their own family?
 @EMDF9A I have said this before but will repeat, Mexico has the strictist gun laws in the world and look where that led them. Switzerland (unless it has changed) has more guns per capita than any other country and their crime rate is very low. As for buying a gun off the street (or a gun show) hop in a cab on the hill in Tacoma and ask the driver where you can get a gun, it might take 2 or 3 cabs but they will know.
 @EMDF9A Whoa, I looked it up and the U,S, is now number one in gun ownership and Switzerland has dropped to number 4.
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I went back and looked at the figures (Wickipedia) and the gun people are right about one thing, the less guns per household the more chance there is that you will live in a dictatorship.
And even Obama is affraid of speaking about this destructive behavior.
 @EMDF9A Right. So this guy was willing to ignore a whole pile of laws on the books now and somehow if we had just one more gun law he would have stopped and said "Whoa there. I can't break that new gun law. Sure I'll break the laws regarding murder and stuff but that new gun law, no way."  Sure, you just keep believing that if we have enough laws on the books that bad people won't do bad things. Meanwhile, those of us living in the real world will look for sensible solutions.
It starts a few steps back from the end user. The manufacture, import, posession, sale or trade. Yes, it may take some time & you may have to give up some of your toys, but eventually, and not that long a period of time, the bad guys just wont have those tools of killing at their disposal.
 @EMDF9A "You still cant say that when used as intended a gun isnt going to kill"
That is such utter BS. Are all those competition pistols, rifles etc killing the targets? Are all those 22lrs killing the soda cans? These guns are being used as designed and intended and are not killing a thing. Do you even bother to think through your arguments?
 @svensson  @EMDF9A I'm glad someone else noticed that "fatal" flaw in his reaoning.
 @EMDF9A I use guns as design all the time and interestingly no one is being killed. Not a one...
 @EMDF9A So, you'd prefer they use gasoline bombs, propane tank bombs, poison-gas bombs using household cleaners, and what-not? Or that they focus on their sniping skills, as the military standard issue M40 sniper rifle is also known as a Remington 700, the most popular rifle in America...Not quite sure how you see that as an improvement.
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BTW, do you know what the shelf-life of a gun and ammo is? As a data-point, i have a rifle manufactured in 1898, and it still works just fine, and it shoots a easily avialable off-the-shelf ammo. I've also recently used some WWII surplus ammo - it also works fine.
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And, it an average citizen can't have it, why should the cops?Are they more equal than us?
@EMDF9A EM, some bolt action rifles with well maintained, comfortably worn in actions can fire off 10 rounds a minute. The same is true with lever actions. For that matter, the guy could have come in with an illegally modified shotgun [cut down stock and barrel, magazine plug removed etc] and killed WAY more people by just putting perfectly legal birdshot downrange into a crowd.
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Again, my point remains that this is a personal aberration and that 99% of gun owners own their pieces legally and safely. You don't hear about them until they have to defend themselves with their gun and even THEN they are held to be guilty until proven innocent by the media.
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I respect your opinion, and I too am deeply saddened by this tragedy but penalizing the vast lawful majority over the actions [however reprehensible] of a criminal minority is contrary to the laws and customs of our country, it's Constitution and the principles which we both obviously love.
Actually its not designed to make you fat. it CAN if not used as dirrected (Do you kbnow a single standard portion of ice cream is half a cup and contains between 120 and 150 Kcals (depending on brand). When used as part of a healthy diet as intended, it isnt going to make you fat. You still cant say that when used as intended a gun isnt going to kill.
Use your fishing pole to kill 7 people at a time and I might want to ban that too... but I seriously doubt you can do that. Again, when used as designed guns have one purpose and one purpose only. To Kill.Â
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You can keep your huntuing rifles. A bolt action 30-06, or a lever action 30-30 Remington can take down a deer just fine, thank you, but its very unlikely a mass murderer will be able to use them and get off enough shots to kill 7 people in a temple or 12 in a theater.
@EMDF9A I beg your pardon, but unless you're eating frozen Kool Aid or OtterPops, ice cream is MOST DEFINATELY designed to make you fat! ROFL! And yes, that fat can kill you.
@EMDF9A ...are you going to enforce these new laws of yours worldwide?How do you propose doing that?
    If criminals can't get american guns,they'll just come from elsewhere.Look,you just created a new industry and solved nothing.
  Do you honestly believe I'm to give up my hunting rifles?Why not my fishing poles too?They were designed to kill fish.
    Sorry,your proposal is a useless example of stupidity and has no use in the real world.
And again, when Ice Cream is used as designed it doesnt make you fat or kill you. You still cant say that about a gun.
To use your logic:
If the manufacture, import, possession, sale or trade of guns makes a person a criminal then....
The manufacture, import, possession, sale or trade of spoons make people fat. I mean, we'll all be SO much better off once people are weaned from ice cream...
Okay, what do you mean by 'reform'?
I'm a gun owner. I've never committed a crime with a gun and never hurt anyone with a gun outside of wartime. I vote, I pay my taxes, I obey the law... hell, I even show up for jury duty! You gonna tell me that my rights and privileges should be infringed and impinged upon for the actions of someone else?
Why is it that when a crime with a gun is committed, those who fear firearms yell and scream about how they don't feel safe, when CARS kill far more people per capita than guns do. And EACH ONE of those deaths are EQUALLY preventable.
Further, much of the gun violence you see is criminal in nature, so what you are talking about is further regulating people who aren't obeying the law in the first place, and won't obey any further laws you impose. So, thanks for proposing all the additional regulations on those of us already having to put up with a lot of senseless rules.
Let me also say that my ownership of a gun is GUARANTEED by the Second Amendment and the SCOTUS' recent 'Heller v District of Columbia' decision.
So, help stop the violence! Keep cars at home where they can hurt no one! The legal age for getting a driver's license and owning a car should be 21 years old! Every car should have a breathalyzer key lock to prevent drunk driving!
If living in a gun-free environment is so important to you, Great Britain is that way [points East ---->], but you'll soon find out that violent crime occurs there too... just with knives.
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Reforms.. Lets close the gun show loopholes. How about making multi-round clips illegal. How about outlawing semi-automatic weapons.. rifles and hand guns. How about restricting the amout of ammunition one can purchase in a period of time. How about restricting hunting rifles to bolt or lever action. Thats a start. If you want to keep your 30-30 Remmington to go hunt, sure.. go ahead, cause it wont do nearly the damage in a theater or temple that an AK-47 of a 9mm will.
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And quit making the straw man arguements about cars that kill or any other instrument that make end a life. Care are not designed to kill. they are designed to transport people and goods. Yes, occasionally they are instruments of death... by mechanical failure and on even rarer an occasion, purposeful mis-use. Same with baseball bats or re-bar or paring knives. They all can kill, but they are not designed to do that.  But the point is it is mis-use. A gun has one purpose and one purpose only. To kill.
 @toadaway  @EMDF9A The problem is EMDF9A basically has no clue. Each argument present has a wide range of problems. Setting aside the fact that gun ownership was WISELY put into the bill of rights lets pick just some simple arguments EMDF9A makes. Lets see, ok heres one. Outlaw large clips. OK, so lets say shooter X walks into some place to shoot it up. He has the legal 5 round clips suggested by our gun expert EMDF9A. He begins to shoot up the place. Interestingly he shoots it up just as much as someone with larger clips would have. Why? Because a practiced hand can reload in under 2 seconds. With todays web gear you can haul all the clips (and yes I keep using the word clips per our gun expert EMDF9A) that you want. Most of the "reforms" he mentions have very practical limitations or are non-existant issues. Lets take a look at another fine example. "Gun show loop hole". So if we close the so called loophole there will be less gun crime according to our expert here. This also implies that those states that have this loophole the gun crime must be higher than those that don't have the loophole like WA. Yet, interestingly the gun crime rate in states with the aforementioned fictitious loophole do not have higher gun crime. Hmmm. And finally my personal favorite pile of bull excrement "A gun has one purpose and one purpose only. To kill."  This one would make me laugh if it weren't so stupid. I guess all those completive shooters, as you mentioned, are competing in killing eh? I guess all those 22lr rifles aren't being used for plinking but are actually killing. I guess all those other firearms that are taken to the range for a day of fun and returned to the safe, closet whatever are being used for killing. Right. Thats a really high grade delusion going. I can't believe people actually argue this point with a straight face.
 @EMDF9A Leaving aside the fact that you do not appear to know what a "right" is, or what "shall not be infringed" means, and appear to know little about firearms technology, or the intertwined history of oppression and disarmament.
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Just being pragmatic, can you point to anywhere, and any time in history, where restricting the general population's access to arms has *lead* to a significant drop in the violent crime rate? Anywhere? I'm not asking for some correlation of "X has few guns and low crime," as we both know that's a stupid straw-man argument. Do you have any *evidence* that the time and money spent to do what you ask will have ANY significant effect?
@Koawoodplayer Thank you for saying so. Someone else accused me of being 'eloquent' earlier and I don't get accused of 'articulate' and 'intelligent' very much either. :)
I like what you said here. Very articulate and obviously very intelligent in thought. Thank you.
@kybhotbs Sorry man, but the same Constitution that I tout as my basis for owning my gun also gives EMDF9A the right to their view... in fact, that right comes BEFORE the right to own a gun. Hell, even the Westboro Baptist Church has a right to their opinions [as asinine as they are].
This is just a debate, folks are allowed their opinion, and EM and I disagree.
Besides, the Constitution might guarantee someone the right to free speech, but it doesn't guarantee someone an audience....
@EMDF9A How about making multi-round clips illegal....So your all for outlawing hunting and competitive shooting?We have enough laws on the books,we don't need to restrict the legal owners.That wouldn't keep a gun out of criminal hands and would endanger the population.
 @kybhotbs  @EMDF9A Or you know, you could respond with your point of view and some facts, instead of responding like a five year old.
 @kybhotbs  @EMDF9A Thoughtful and intelligent debating skills.  Nice.
@EMDF9A You are a coward and an idiot. Move to North Korea
As you said, guns are an object used to kill. Remove that object or make them less efficient, and you reduce the danger of peoiple using them to kill other people. If we remove them from the street as we arrest current users, and there is no way to replenish their supplies, we will eventually (and not in that long a time) reduce and/or eliminate the bad guy's access to these instruments of death.
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Yes, a knife and bow are designed to kill. I dont know of any semi-automatic compound bows. And your arguement on the car is definately a straw man. When used as designed cars are not intended to kill. Guns are.
@EMDF9A So are bows. Outlaw them. Knives are designed to hurt things. Ban them too. Guns are no more or no less then that: an inanimate object that someone can use to kill. It takes a person to animate them to do harm. The perp in this case could have just as easily waited for a bunch of his intended victims to leave the temple and run them down with a car. And further, my arguement about a car is absolutely not a straw one. The Constitution guarantees my right to own a gun but doesn't guarantee your right to own personal transportation, be it a car, horse and buggy, or what have you. In fact, your right to own a car is considered to be a privilege by Washington and most other states, one that can be revoked by continuous traffic misdemenors. In order to revoke a citizen's right to a gun, they have to commit a felony.
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Look, I don't have any problem with 'Use a gun, have 'X' number of years added to your sentance' legislation. Guns ARE dangerous and misuse [or intentional use to commit crime] deserve the extended punishment. I assume you are not a gun owner and don't know much about gun legislation. That's fine, I'm not, for example, a motorcyclist and don't know much about motorcycle issues so there you go. There is legislation for almost every circumstance of gun ownership. There is legislation on how I may own a gun, what condition I may own a gun, how I may utilize a gun in my own defense, and so forth. I follow the laws I'm aware of and if, by some chance, an incident happens with my gun I will more than likely find out about legislation that I was unaware of but will still be held liable and criminal for.
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My basic point here is that you are no more or less safe by further legislation. The guns you object to are already on the street. The people who will use guns for crime already have them. You can no more predict other people's behavior with a gun than you can at a poker table or a crosswalk. You know what people are *supposed* to do, you know what would *be smart* for a person to do, but you don't know what they will do till they do it.
I wish the FBI would shut up.  Was someone just mad at one of the families that attedn there?  Was it just a crazed individual who decided to play a "joker" and just thought it was a good opportunity to shoot some people and religion nor any group didn't play any part?  Terrorism is like a jihad who wants to wipe people out.  We don't know this yet.... and so the FBI should hush!!!  Release what  you know about the individual.  At this point,  we have no reason to think it was a Muslim fanatic.  Of course we want the officer to pull through.  It was a terrible thing.
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Hope the brave officer pulls through. In this day and age of dirty cops its great to see a good one do a great job even after taking bullets.
Taking away guns will do nothing to remove violence in America or any other place on the planet. Most all these people come from a failed family unit where greed overpowers parenting. Abusive parents bring a lot of this into the world. The answer is don't have kids if you're not emotionally or financially ready to. Quit leaving your garbage behind for the rest of us to clean up. Too many diverse people crammed into too many small places and it breeds hate.
The killer is dead. Why can't he/she be identified?
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Why the mystery?
What the hell is going on in my country??? Not good.
Guaranteed all the anti-weapon nutcakes will start calling for bans on this kind of weapon and that--as though that's going to somehow be a deterrent to crime. I mean, do people honestly think that if tomorrow the US government decided to completely outlaw all weapons---(in other words, the extreme view)----do you REALLY think that criminals are going to turn in their guns also? You don't really think that, do you? Youre not actually THAT naive, are you, America? Old saying here about 'when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.' YOU KNOW its true. What is wrong here is not possession of guns; what is wrong here is what is wrong with the human heart. Oh but of course, if you tell people we need to return to being a Godly nation and remember our Christian roots, people will 'get offended'. YOU TELL ME WHATS MORE OFFENSIVE----a return to our roots as a nation or MORE mass shootings like this? And don't give me some line of BS about 'the one has nothing to do with the other'. it has EVERYTHING to do with it. And it begins in the home, and continues on through school. Dr James Dobson said "In our effrots to give our children everythign we didn't have when we were their age, we have FAILED to give them THAT WHICH WE DID HAVE." He also said, "IN our efforts to be politically correct, we have taken discipline, religion and morality out of the schools. They have been replaced with drugs, guns and sex. What did you THINK was going to happen?"
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Touche'.
 @oldarmysoldier If you are not hunting or are not living out in the deepest subdivisions that are 45 minutes away from a cop than I just don't buy the arms-race-as-a-right that would cause the end of civilization if it ever changed. And thinking one needs multiple 30 shot clips or an assault weapon and that it is some sort of right to have access to such things is a twisted delusion. The NRA was selling all this decades ago, its not new. Returning to our roots as a nation? Does that include slavery and the subjugation of women and children working in fields? People who wrap themselves in the NRA reading of the constitution don't like being reminded of ALL the things that society has modified about it over time. The American arms race is just one that remains as yet unresolved.Â
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There were armed slums in Brazil that turned in their guns over the evolution of programs to make them safer for the people who lived there. The NRA does not want you to know that. And they do not want research done on the question of the societal cost of easy gun access. The carnage continues.
 @Citizen#3457899654 Dude, you can't get an assault weapon without huge $ and effort. Why do you have to live 45min from a cop? Even right in the middle of Seattle there is absolutely no guarantee the police can make it you in any time frame at all.  Not only that they are not even required to help you. Like the saying goes, when seconds count the cops are only minutes away. When the day comes that you can whip out your smartphone and schedule when a bad guy is going to do something to you then you can go the defenseless route but until then you just cannot know when, how or where something is going to take place.
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If you don't like the NRA fine but using hyperbole like "Does that include slavery and the subjugation of women and children working in fields?" just makes you look stupid.Â
 @TehHawt  @SeattleJoe True.  However its important to note 2 things: 1) they are "considered" assault rifles, not are actually assault rifles and 2) those who "consider" them to be assault rifles are anti-gunners and media.  If you told the army "We are going to replace your actual assault rifles with AR15s" they would tell you "Jam your AR15s and we will keep our real assault rifles. Now leave or we will show you what a real assault rifle can do.".
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So: Assault rifles as RN1 mentioned are very specific and AR15s do not qualify as such and assault weapons as RN1 said is a hoplophobe term to be scary and sensationalistic.Â
 @SeattleJoe  @Citizen#3457899654 I think you are confusing "assault RIFLE" (which has a specific military definition, and are also calls "machine guns," more that one bullet per trigger pull) and "assault WEAPON" which is a media/hoplophobe term based only on appearance, not function, cartridge, or anything specific (i.e., a scary looking gun).
 @SeattleJoe Please keep in mind AR's are considered assault weapons and they are not difficult to get.
So then we outlaw knives next, right? Then household cleaners, all pharmecuticals, and rope. We'll be outlawing fire too, and anything made of glass or metal or ceramic. We can't stop til we outlaw WATER. And then hands and teeth; how'd that be?
 @FreeCoffeeNow! Given that simplistic "logic", should we then allow everyone to own WMDs - because the bad guys already have them...
Try staying rational in your arguments, you might sound less reactionary.
There are problems that we need to solve, why not work TOWARD a solution that serves everyone, instead of simply bunkering down and rejecting every offer of cooperation to find a solution?
 @FreeCoffeeNow! You know, I'm a centrist-moderate on gun ownership, but these arguments are totally made of fail. Deal with the issue at hand. Reasonably. Demonstrate the challenges of getting guns out of the hands of criminals. If you can't make that argument, there's a problem.