College student's turtle project takes dark twist
CLEMSON, S.C. (AP) - Clemson University student Nathan Weaver set out to determine how to help turtles cross the road. He ended up getting a glimpse into the dark souls of some humans.
Weaver put a realistic rubber turtle in the middle of a lane on a busy road near campus. Then he got out of the way and watched over the next hour as seven drivers swerved and deliberately ran over the animal. Several more apparently tried to hit it but missed.
"I've heard of people and from friends who knew people that ran over turtles. But to see it out here like this was a bit shocking," said Weaver, a 22-year-old senior in Clemson's School of Agricultural, Forest and Environmental Sciences.
To seasoned researchers, the practice wasn't surprising.
The number of box turtles is in slow decline, and one big reason is that many wind up as roadkill while crossing the asphalt, a slow-and-steady trip that can take several minutes.
Sometimes humans feel a need to prove they are the dominant species on this planet by taking a two-ton metal vehicle and squishing a defenseless creature under the tires, said Hal Herzog, a Western Carolina University psychology professor.
"They aren't thinking, really. It is not something people think about. It just seems fun at the time," Herzog said. "It is the dark side of human nature."
Herzog asked a class of about 110 students getting ready to take a final whether they had intentionally run over a turtle, or been in a car with someone who did. Thirty-four students raised their hands, about two-thirds of them male, said Herzog, author of a book about humans' relationships with animals, called "Some We Love, Some We Hate, Some We Eat."
Weaver, who became interested in animals and conservation through the Boy Scouts and TV's "Crocodile Hunter" Steve Irwin, wants to figure out the best way to get turtles safely across the road and keep the population from dwindling further.
Among the possible solutions: turtle underpasses or an education campaign aimed at teenagers on why drivers shouldn't mow turtles down.
The first time Weaver went out to collect data on turtles, he chose a spot down the road from a big apartment complex that caters to students. He counted 267 vehicles that passed by, seven of them intentionally hitting his rubber reptile.
He went back out about a week later, choosing a road in a more residential area. He followed the same procedure, putting the fake turtle in the middle of the lane, facing the far side of the road, as if it was early in its journey across. The second of the 50 cars to pass by that day swerved over the center line, its right tires pulverizing the plastic shell.
"Wow! That didn't take long," Weaver said.
Other cars during the hour missed the turtle. But right after his observation period was up, before Weaver could retrieve the model, another car moved to the right to hit the animal as he stood less than 20 feet away.
"One hit in 50 cars is pretty significant when you consider it might take a turtle 10 minutes to cross the road," Weaver said.
Running over turtles even has a place in Southern lore.
In South Carolina author Pat Conroy's semi-autobiographical novel "The Great Santini," a fighter-pilot father squishes turtles during a late-night drive when he thinks his wife and kids are asleep. His wife confronts him, saying: "It takes a mighty brave man to run over turtles."
The father denies it at first, then claims he hits them because they are a road hazard. "It's my only sport when I'm traveling," he says. "My only hobby."
That hobby has been costly to turtles.
It takes a turtle seven or eight years to become mature enough to reproduce, and in that time, it might make several trips across the road to get from one pond to another, looking for food or a place to lay eggs. A female turtle that lives 50 years might lay over 100 eggs, but just two or three are likely to survive to reproduce, said Weaver's professor, Rob Baldwin.
Snakes also get run over deliberately. Baldwin wishes that weren't the case, but he understands, considering the widespread fear and loathing of snakes. But why anyone would want to run over turtles is a mystery to the professor.
"They seem so helpless and cute," he said. "I want to stop and help them. My kids want to stop and help them. My wife will stop and help turtles no matter how much traffic there is on the road. I can't understand the idea why you would swerve to hit something so helpless as a turtle."
Weaver put a realistic rubber turtle in the middle of a lane on a busy road near campus. Then he got out of the way and watched over the next hour as seven drivers swerved and deliberately ran over the animal. Several more apparently tried to hit it but missed.
"I've heard of people and from friends who knew people that ran over turtles. But to see it out here like this was a bit shocking," said Weaver, a 22-year-old senior in Clemson's School of Agricultural, Forest and Environmental Sciences.
To seasoned researchers, the practice wasn't surprising.
The number of box turtles is in slow decline, and one big reason is that many wind up as roadkill while crossing the asphalt, a slow-and-steady trip that can take several minutes.
Sometimes humans feel a need to prove they are the dominant species on this planet by taking a two-ton metal vehicle and squishing a defenseless creature under the tires, said Hal Herzog, a Western Carolina University psychology professor.
"They aren't thinking, really. It is not something people think about. It just seems fun at the time," Herzog said. "It is the dark side of human nature."
Herzog asked a class of about 110 students getting ready to take a final whether they had intentionally run over a turtle, or been in a car with someone who did. Thirty-four students raised their hands, about two-thirds of them male, said Herzog, author of a book about humans' relationships with animals, called "Some We Love, Some We Hate, Some We Eat."
Weaver, who became interested in animals and conservation through the Boy Scouts and TV's "Crocodile Hunter" Steve Irwin, wants to figure out the best way to get turtles safely across the road and keep the population from dwindling further.
Among the possible solutions: turtle underpasses or an education campaign aimed at teenagers on why drivers shouldn't mow turtles down.
The first time Weaver went out to collect data on turtles, he chose a spot down the road from a big apartment complex that caters to students. He counted 267 vehicles that passed by, seven of them intentionally hitting his rubber reptile.
He went back out about a week later, choosing a road in a more residential area. He followed the same procedure, putting the fake turtle in the middle of the lane, facing the far side of the road, as if it was early in its journey across. The second of the 50 cars to pass by that day swerved over the center line, its right tires pulverizing the plastic shell.
"Wow! That didn't take long," Weaver said.
Other cars during the hour missed the turtle. But right after his observation period was up, before Weaver could retrieve the model, another car moved to the right to hit the animal as he stood less than 20 feet away.
"One hit in 50 cars is pretty significant when you consider it might take a turtle 10 minutes to cross the road," Weaver said.
Running over turtles even has a place in Southern lore.
In South Carolina author Pat Conroy's semi-autobiographical novel "The Great Santini," a fighter-pilot father squishes turtles during a late-night drive when he thinks his wife and kids are asleep. His wife confronts him, saying: "It takes a mighty brave man to run over turtles."
The father denies it at first, then claims he hits them because they are a road hazard. "It's my only sport when I'm traveling," he says. "My only hobby."
That hobby has been costly to turtles.
It takes a turtle seven or eight years to become mature enough to reproduce, and in that time, it might make several trips across the road to get from one pond to another, looking for food or a place to lay eggs. A female turtle that lives 50 years might lay over 100 eggs, but just two or three are likely to survive to reproduce, said Weaver's professor, Rob Baldwin.
Snakes also get run over deliberately. Baldwin wishes that weren't the case, but he understands, considering the widespread fear and loathing of snakes. But why anyone would want to run over turtles is a mystery to the professor.
"They seem so helpless and cute," he said. "I want to stop and help them. My kids want to stop and help them. My wife will stop and help turtles no matter how much traffic there is on the road. I can't understand the idea why you would swerve to hit something so helpless as a turtle."
Sadly, this reminds me of someone who intentionally ran over & killed a seagull once. Animals are God's creatures too.  :(
I could understand if it were a politician or a lawyer, but why harm a little turtle?
I just wonder why nothing was mentioned about the people that stopped and moved the turtle off the road, I always do
One of these days, one of the idiots who ran over them or tried to are going to run over an explosive device that someone left in the road as an experiment to see who would hit it or try to hit it...dare to dream...
It's mostly a young man thing. Doesn't seem we need any training to be so thoughtless or coarse. We may stop that as we age. I have. Getting old fixed it. Don't remember running down any turtles but there was other stuff.
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I had a .22 when I was a kid. I would "go huntin" mainly to shoot at birds, snakes, rodents, none of which needed to be killed for target practice. It was a normal thing and no one considered it anything but something to do, and fun. I never shot or threatened a person. I killed a gopher, by biggest game. Killed a big snake with a thrown rock too. I shot a cow dead - to be butchered on the farm by grandad and neighbors.
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Even without penalty or rebuke, I regret my own youthful disregard of the birds' and feral animals lives for my moments of shooting entertainment. So many better ways to have fun.
 @Bob Owen I was taught long before I ever put my hands on a gun that A. Never point a gun at something you're not willing to kill. and B. Don't kill it unless you're either going to eat it, or protecting yourself.
Killing on purpose? They are murderers.
I don't think putting hazards on the road is a responsible thing to do. If some motorcyclist hit this thing and wiped out... what then?
 @Shawn Newell He should have his eyes on the road and/or shouldn't be trying to hit it.
 @Shawn Newell Well Shawn... as a motorcyclist myself I avoid ANY and ALL road hazards I see... last thing I am going to do is deliberately compromise my traction to run over something when I can easily avoid it.... accidents happen but I don't deliberately set out to hit anything... are you sure you are not having a superiority complex yourself?
No surprise to me. Most people are idiots...
"Sometimes humans feel a need to prove they are the dominant species on this planet by taking a two-ton metal vehicle and squishing a defenseless creature under the tires, said Hal Herzog, a Western Carolina University psychology professor."
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They're not establishing their rank on the food chain, they're just proving how big a j3rk they are.
What happens when someone swerves out of the way of his rubber turtle and gets into a head on collision? Â Sounds like he's setting himself up for a lawsuit. Â I do like turtles though.
 @orc is that a real argument? THE TURTLE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD!! if one is driving correctly, they will be 2-4 FEET from the turtle. it's simple!judging by your comment I assume that you are a bad driver
@orc That's an overreaction to the situation. The driver is the one in control of the car, and can be responsible for the results should they cause a collision.
Another sad commentary about our society and the total disregard for life (human or otherwise) that is becoming so common these days. The turtle is spiritual to many. Turtle is love and protection, healing and knowledge. Turtle is Mother Earth. We are made of earth and then returned to earth.
So this article says "2/3 of the 34 raising their hands were male". Yet another reason to hate men?This is the crap science uses to control people's actions purely based on gender. After all, men are heathens, predators, pedophiles. No news here
 @Troglidite Pretty hilarious considering that your handle is 'troglidite' (which I assume you meant as 'troglodyte). Yes, it's worth considering that men kill more things than women do. I didn't see it as an attempt to make people hate men. Reporting that statistic does not have that effect to me. However, if I were a man, and saw that statistic, I would possibly see it as an impetus for a little introspection. After all, if you don't like the numbers, you can help change them. Rather than whine about what a poor misunderstood soul you are.
I would wreck my car before I hit a helpless animal.
 @Sara Scott It is my opinion that wrecking your car to avoid an animal is stupid.
 @Sara Scott My dad a semi truck driver was involved in a huge car and semitruck accident just because a young teenage girl in a small honda swerved to miss a bird in the middle lane. She Hit the bird, and plowed into the fully loaded truck my father was driving the left side slammed into the walls of the overpass structure and the trailer swung across traffic, My dog who was traveling with my father,though belted in with a certified doggie safety harnes Hit her head on the window and was in a coma for an entire day! we thought she had died! On top of that the truck my father owned was completely demolished as well as the girl who hit him nearly did not walk away. All because she did not want to hit a bird.Â
@Mallory Kathryne Dockery - egads! I hope your father was okay! Yes, I love animals and birds, etc too but to swerve and endanger others is not good at all. So far, I haven't had to hit an animal on the road (which is amazing, considering the miles and miles that I've driven and still drive) but I still wouldn't swerve. Freeways especially. Sheesh.
@Mallory Kathryne Dockery @Sara Scott A few people are able to make snap decisions, most are not, but the learning experience goes on throughout life; hopefully you are lucky enough to live through the class of hard knocks. I do by best to avoid any and all living creatures on the highways, from tiny little frogs hopping across the road to those really big elk but my first glance before avoiding is to see if I will hurt anyone else or endanger myself. Another's life isn't important to some until they take it from them; something I do not want to live with.
so let's swerve out of the way to run over turtles? I don't understand your logic.Â
 @Sara Scott so, you would endanger peoples lives instead of doing little damage by hitting a small animal? the only time i would try to avoid a animal if it's a deer, elk, etc.. I have gotten called out to many wrecks because the person swerved to avoid a small animal and hit other cars or lost control and wrecked themselves. Now, when i was growing up in the south people would purposely run over rattle snakes they see on the roads.
@beetle73 @Sara Scott The point being, you only need to make a minor adjustment to straddle the turtle or other small animal. The other option being to stop the car. There is no real reason to blindly plow down anything small enough to go under the tires.
I don't want to know the people that would do that, but I probably do.
Torturing small animals (and setting fires) are some of the classic characteristics of the psychopaths and serial killers profile. Â
 @John Bailo Right. I hope the people who clearly intentionally hit the turtle do not own any firearms or have easy access to them. Clearly, there is something wrong with a person who goes out of their way to run over an animal in the road. And of course I eat animals but I do it for nourishment, not for fun. Maybe if they planned to stop and take it home to eat it I would understand, but to do it for fun? (shakes my head)
 @John Bailo Yes! Thank you!
 @John Bailo Macdonald Triad....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macdonald_triad
Why is this even a news story? I was under the impression that there was more of a situation regarding these turtles. Did this guy really need to take the time to do a project that a lot of us already know? And how exactly would he know that some tried to purposly tried to run it over, let along even be able to tell what these objects are in the street since they look fairly small when you're driving at a given speed? This really must be a slow news day.
 @Zoso That's easy. The Box Turtle is endangered, and a majority of the loss is because of jerkfaces that think it's cool to get their rocks off by running over an animal that weighs a tiny fraction of their two-ton vehicle.
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The answer is this: Human beings who think it's OK to kill an animal - any animal at all - in a highly unequal situation for their own pleasure, is an individual who meets part of the requirements for classification as a psycho.
 @Zoso crossing the yellow line to hit it is a pretty good indicator that they did it purposely.Â
I think people that hit animals deliberately should be prosecuted under the Pasado animal cruelty law. Â That would not only include turtles, but cats, dogs, raccoons, opossum, and squirrels. Â Â I have been behind people who have hit animals then just keep on going. Â I always stopped trying to save these animals, but they're usually too badly injured to be saved.Â
@Janet Hernandez - there are people who deliberately hit people and leave them lying in the road.
That's horrible. Hopefully they don't have animals. That says a lot about how they would treat their own animals if they do, or even their friends and family.
What a stupid idea in the first place.Â
 @Isadora to learn the stupidity in humans is stupid? Why not worry about all things we are killing off or on purpose run over with a vehicle, make them tough? Shows their NOT ADVANCED mindset and why Humans are truly idiots at times.Â
 @Isadora you're one of those people who would run over the turtle aren't you?
Here's an idea. Fill that plastic turtle with nails and spikes.  Â
 @achoo2 that would be vandalism
 @DylanJ No, that would be awesome.