Apple lists 8 Samsung products it wants banned
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Apple Inc. on Monday submitted a list of eight Samsung Electronics Co. products it wants pulled from shelves and banned from the U.S. market.
Apple submitted the list after a jury found Samsung copied the iPhone and iPad in creating and marketing the products.
The products are: Galaxy S 4G, Galaxy S2 AT&T, Galaxy S2, Galaxy S2 T-Mobile, Galaxy S2 Epic 4G, Galaxy S Showcase, Droid Charge and Galaxy Prevail.
A judge will decide the issue later.
Apple claimed in a sweeping lawsuit that Samsung's smartphones and computer tablets "slavishly copied" the iPhones and iPads. Samsung countered with its own claims that Apple used its wireless technology without proper compensation.
A nine-person jury in its verdict last week unanimously agreed with Apple and ordered Samsung to pay $1 billion. Most of the damages were tied to Samsung's smartphones. It rejected Samsung's counterclaims.
The award represents about 1.5 percent of Samsung's annual revenue. Analysts said the embarrassment of the verdict is a bigger blow for Samsung than the financial setback.
Still, the question remains whether Samsung and other Apple competitors will have to redesign their smartphones to avoid infringing Apple's patents. Most analysts agree the verdict sends a threatening message to device makers like Samsung who use Google's Android operating system.
Apple submitted the list after a jury found Samsung copied the iPhone and iPad in creating and marketing the products.
The products are: Galaxy S 4G, Galaxy S2 AT&T, Galaxy S2, Galaxy S2 T-Mobile, Galaxy S2 Epic 4G, Galaxy S Showcase, Droid Charge and Galaxy Prevail.
A judge will decide the issue later.
Apple claimed in a sweeping lawsuit that Samsung's smartphones and computer tablets "slavishly copied" the iPhones and iPads. Samsung countered with its own claims that Apple used its wireless technology without proper compensation.
A nine-person jury in its verdict last week unanimously agreed with Apple and ordered Samsung to pay $1 billion. Most of the damages were tied to Samsung's smartphones. It rejected Samsung's counterclaims.
The award represents about 1.5 percent of Samsung's annual revenue. Analysts said the embarrassment of the verdict is a bigger blow for Samsung than the financial setback.
Still, the question remains whether Samsung and other Apple competitors will have to redesign their smartphones to avoid infringing Apple's patents. Most analysts agree the verdict sends a threatening message to device makers like Samsung who use Google's Android operating system.
Samsungs phones are all better than anything apple could ever hope to produce. Apple can bite me.
Lets not forget apple is behind the times with screen size... it is obvious people want larger screens on their cell phones and yet apple still doesn't have a phone over 4 inches... they would rather keep slowly growing bigger screens to milk their customers even more.. I mean gosh... who needs to innovate when you can sue and keep milking your fanbase. I for one am hoping google responds with a full broadside lawsuit of the junk apple uses of theirs... as the saying goes... "All is fair in love and war!" so google please sue the snot out of apple and put them in their corner!
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Yes, with each iteration the screens get larger and the processing power increases. I have one of each phone and I continue to use them all. My old GS1 is a great music player and I can teather it through my active phone for updating music via dropbox. My GS2 is a great backup and small sized phone that I use and it is my data hub. The large GS3 is my mini-tablet; I like the large screen for reading and surfing the net but I don't carry it around because I prefer the GS2 format size for my phone.
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Also; I use my GS1 as a video camera while I ride my bike so that I have video documentation if anyone hits me with a car.
I've never cared for any Apple products but then I'm a geek who really liked the old DOS system that didn't eat up all your memory with the operating system. I know Apple's operating system doesn't but it's so limited in just too many ways for me. My wife bought a MAC over a year ago and found it so frustrating to use she has never gotten the hang of it. A friend talked her into it because, "It is so simple to create web pages with it." I don't believe it, she hasn't created a single web page with it and becomes so frustrated trying to figure out what everything means she just quits. I have no interest in furthering Apple's attempts to create a monopoly.
 @jcman iWeb is so incredibly easy to create a web page with that saying your wife can't figure it out is really a slam on her intelligence.  Sorry.
 @cyclops Not everyone is tech savvy and I didn't get how jcman slammed his wifes intelligence.
 @Robinsnest Choose a template....add what you want....publish...only a dork couldn't figure it out.
I can just totally see those fools from Apple sitting there freaking out when the Samsung Galaxy SIII was released
"OMG!!! OMG!!! What are we going to do???!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!......wait........SUE!!!!!, we have to be the ULTIMATE company! Everyone MUST buy the iPhone and NOTHING else...wayyy too much competition here..."
Used to respect Apple but this is ridiculous...
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 @Hanzlah Malik Really?  You can just totally see that?
 @cyclops Yes. I can, because they're nothing but a butt hurt company who pretty much wants to hog everything for themselves...make it a world where everyone has an iPhone and demolish anyone that gets in their way. Can't accept the competition and work harder to make them a better company and PROVE that they are superior...no...sue instead lol.
Just keep digging Apple.... my annoyance for your stupid quest to dominate the smartphone market via lawsuit will not go unnoticed. Also I just bought a Galaxy S3 for my mother, father, brother, sister, my wife and OH ME....they were looking at iPhones and I moved them to go for the S3 which is far superior instead... so I burn your patents and *iss on the ashes!*
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And the fact of the matter is that you never had a choice to buy American. Apple outsouces all of its MFG and keeps $58 Billion off-shore while it lobby s Congress for a Tax Holiday. The only thing that crApple enjoys about America is the stupid fan boys and the laws that are so easily manipulated by influence cash.
 @Icarus  @Freespeech LOL. I didn't know Samdung was an American company.
Apple has to be careful, Samsung makes the memory and glass and several of the co-processors used on Apple iPhones, iPads, and iPods. Samsung could easily raise the prices for those components to cover their "fine" to be paid back to Apple. Of course there will be years of appeals and injunctions to the point that when the case finally "settles" all these products will be long gone and the new products won't "offend" Apple any longer.
Thats how the market works, they lost market share now it's time to sue. The Iphone use to dominate the smart phone market, now last time I looked it up android phones outsell apple phones 4 to 1.
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I would never be locked into an Iphone's little world of approved apps. The google store sells apps that would never be allowed on itunes (rooting tools & rom backup apps, tethering & data sharing, adult games & apps, etc) . Most any android can be rooted in a minute or 2, a customized rom loaded on, updating your os to a newer version, removing all the preloaded junk carriers put on, changing the style, speeding up your cpu....And of course the biggest plus of a non-iphone is no Itunes needed. Plug and play on any computer, no annoying software needed.
 @SkaBob Understand math?  Samsung has 10 different phones to compete with Apple but they only outsell Apple 4 to 1 so Apple is way further ahead.  And if they decided to market a cheap plastic piece of crap and give them away 2 for 1 they would leave the copycats in the dust.
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Right...so you agree....they don't respond to market demand, deliver only one product, and expect that they deserve a market monopoly (that consumer choice is a bad thing for their market philosophy) and rather than innovating they simply litigate to recreate the world to favor their commercial interests.
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So how exactly is that American Capitalism at work. You know the part about competition being a good thing for all parties including the consumers because it lowers prices and delivers a greater variety of products.
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 @SkaBob Primarily because Samsung makes more than one product, for more than one carrier and vendor.
Sorry Apple, you won't fall into my basket. It's full of Samsung and HTC products.
Most of those phones are the same product from different carriers and they're at least a year older than the Iphone 4S....and the latest Samsung, the GS3, which is available on all networks and voted "Product of the Year" by the international community of techies has been available since June isn't included.Â
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Regardless; I'm holding on to my Samsung S2 even after I trade up for the Samsung G3 because it's great to have a dedicated tunes player and backup mobile that allows me to swap batteries load content and expand the memory as I wish without having to connect to the borg.Â
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My guess is that Apple stock is right now....08/27/2012...at the very height of its value for all time. I would short the stock today because Samsung continues to out innovate Apple and doesn't depend on a proprietary closed product to create a vertical market monopoly based on user dependence...Samsung relies on better products and innovation and fast response to fulfilling user demand to generate profits and they are rewarded with brand loyalty.
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Apple is painting itself into the Beta-Max corner and eventually the fan-boys will recognize they are trapped behind the iron curtain of apple.
 @Icarus Did you have enough insight to go long on Apple at less than $100 like anyone who didn't have such a closed mind?  I doubt it.  And now you say you *would* short it......my guess is that you have neither the money nor the courage to short it.  Did you short it today like you said you would? Â
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Yes....Me_cheele above reminded me of the last reason that Apple cannot out innovate Samsung and is likely to experience some rough going in the near future. Apple uses the Samsung chip in their Iphone and Ipad products.
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Yeah, that's kind of a big deal. I think I'll short Apple.
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That would be clever if they did...but it will take time to match the quality of Samsung.
 @Icarus Samsung isn't the only supplier of these parts.  You don't think they have chip vendors knocking down their door trying to get in on the action?  In fact, I'm sure they have other vendors already lined up as we speak.
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I just made a statement and a prediction based on the history of that company; we'll see what the future holds. I played the market and recognized how artificial it is and I what I see is that Apple is experiencing a kind of invincibility bubble and like all bubbles it won't last. I read that their P/E is nearly 16 and the Apple heads are projecting that it will support a 20 P/E but I'm banking on a backlash and product disappointment. I don't think that Apple can pull another product out and the mobile market is quickly advancing toward the commodity stage so the specialness that the fan-boys experienced is on the wane.
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It would be really awesome if Apple would repatriate all that off-shore $58 Billion that Apple has stashed overseas. If Apple would just pay their taxes like regular Americans rather than lobbying congress for a tax holiday; I might feel a little more inclined to their favor but they just behave so aloof and superior to their consumers...who pay taxes on the money they earn and use to buy those products...because Apple doesn't feel that it should have to pay those taxes on profits all while they exploit the laws of the United States to protect their intellectual property.
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Google is diversifying and reinvesting their capital into many different products. They aren't wasting time or capital litigating to protect their one and only product or lobbying Congress for a Tax Holiday while parking billions off shore. They're business model is about creating and innovating and collaboration.
 @Icarus MSFT has a PE of 15 and not much growth.  GOOG has a PE of 19 and good projected growth. So AAPL at 16 could be a bargain because they still have huge growth potential. And that is ttm...forward PE is projected at around 13....cheap for a company with huge growth. In addition they pay a $10.60 per share dividend now.  So go ahead and borrow $68,000 to short 100 shares of Apple.  When you are still holding your losing position, I will thank you when you pay my dividend.  I don't think you have the guts.
@Icarus "Apple is painting itself into the Beta-Max corner and eventually the fan-boys will recognize they are trapped behind the iron curtain of apple."
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Hmm.... I've been hearing that since the Mac came out in 1984.
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good point: Apple took off when they innovated but then they went into a precipitous decline and represented only a small percentage of the market and their stock declined to $28/share. The Ipod, and Iphone invigorated that company and if history repeats then Apple will again be out innovated...as the product line becomes a commodity...and that will be reflected in their stock values and market share.
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Apple stock will never be higher than today...their market share has already declined since its high two years ago.Â
Still, the question remains whether the idiocy of Apple and co. will be allowed to continue. Let's just take this a step further and ban everything that isn't Apple just because they said they made it first. It is unbelievable that they won this suit. There is no mistaking one for the other when you look at them. Sure, they both have round corners and roundish icons, but this is nothing new.
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I will continue to NOT buy any Apple products because of exactly this type of idiocy. Not to mention the rediculously locked down, our way or the highway use of something you pay your own money for.
 @TheBronze I will continue to laugh all the way to the bank at the fools who just don't understand how to make money.  I really get a kick out of the people who consider themselves power users and complain about the perceived locked down nature of Apple products.  Oh look at me....I can customize my home screen...what a freakin bonanza. Nobody cares.
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Change your battery; in the field when you dont have access to power.....oooops.
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Move your sim card to another phone because yours got dunked.....ooops.
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Change your music on the fly without a computer by switching out a Micro SD card..... ooops.
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I could change your home screen but I don't really care because there's no real practical application for that.
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First off you need to get a life beyond your precious mobile device.
I replaced my battery in my 3GS backup device for 5 bucks. Â Why make a phone with a replaceable battery when 99% of users are going to buy a new phone in a couple of years anyway. Â It makes no business sense. My cycling GPS has no replaceable battery, nor does my altimeter watch. Â Do I go off whining about that? No. Â It is a non issue.
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For the record, I think the Samsung Galaxy 3s is an awesome device....and I don't hate Samsung at all. Â You really ought to examine why you have such intense hatred inside you. Â Samsung has innovated a lot of technology but they also have blatantly ripped off others and they finally got called on it.
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One of the most ignorant statements I hear is that Android is "open". Â Google controls it 100%. Â The Android marketplace is just a freakin mess. Â Any idiot can write an Android app and load it with malware. Â
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I have written an app for the iPhone as well as Android....same app same name. Â My iPhone version outsells the Android version 3 to 1. Â Additionally, I get the most stupid support questions from the Android users....probably 5 to 1 dumb questions from the droids. Â My conclusion? Â Android users are cheapskates who only go for free apps and as a group they are just not that smart. Â
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I have embraced both platforms and I make money daily on both platforms.....you are still making 00000. Â And I think you are still chicken to short Apple.
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I have three batteries for my S1 and two batteries for my S2. I take them along when I go camping or on a long bike ride. I use a large number of services GPS and several applications that tend to run the battery after 10 hours of continuous work. Then I just swap the battery and go on. And, if I'm on a multi-day trip then I have a backup phone that I can swap the sim card if I totally run batteries of my primary phone. And, like I said I can always move my music around on my SD card and backup photos etc.
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When I do have power then I can power both phones and swap batteries out so that I have lots of power going forward.
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Honestly, I would never be that guy out on the road or in the wilderness relying on an Iphone but I don't suppose fan boys get out much...I mean you can't even imagine a situation where having a spare battery would be a benefit which, IMHO, says it all.
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The most telling part pointing to the weakness of your argument...and your nature as a fan boy.... is that you haven't said anything to address why the crApple closed platform is superior to the Open Platform of every other carrier but simply made a pathetic effort to discount my example: "nobody ever needs to change a battery", which is prima face false. Furthermore, why would anyone choose to send their phone away for a week and spend $79. plus 6.95 S/H to change an Iphone battery when they could simply buy a Samsung battery at batteries Exchange for ~$40 and be done with it.
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Seriously, your ability to reason is on par with any anti-Darwinist....creationsist that I have ever heard. You just simply say what you want to believe and reject any valid example that proves you wrong as inconsequential. That kind of mind set suggests a seriously incurious personality and, IMHO, the primary defect in modern American dialogue because dialogue/debate/argument requires two things: a basic integrity to the truth and a willingness to reason. Fundamentalist belief shuts violates both of those principles and for that my distaste for Fan Boys is as great as it is for Creationist fundamentalists.
 @Icarus  @TheBronze I know many people with Android phones.
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Not one person has ever changed the battery before getting a new phone.
Nobody wants to carry around a bunch of SD cards. Just get a 64 GB phone.
I can take the SIM card out of my iPhone and stick it in another one.
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The case was decided just a few miles from the Apple command center and the judge and jury pool were selected from the valley. Occidental bias...and home town victory to save the stock value.
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This decision will not long stand. Major sections will be overturned on appeal and Samsung will continue to out innovate Apple by a wide margin.
 @Icarus  @TheBronze A 1.1 billion judgment is in and of itself ridiculous and whether you think Apple deserved to win or not, anybody who is honest would have to admit the case was biased from the start towards Apple because of the location.