Netflix could gain from loss of Sat. mail delivery

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Netflix won't miss Saturday mail delivery, even though the weekend service helped keep its DVD-by-mail subscribers happy.
The U.S. Postal Service's planned shift to five days of home delivery a week instead of six may even make Netflix Inc. slightly more profitable by lowering the costs for sending out its familiar red envelopes with DVDs. That's because subscribers may be able to watch fewer DVDs for the same monthly price.
That's why investors reacted positively to Wednesday's announcement that the U.S. Postal Service intends to stop Saturday home delivery beginning Aug. 10. Netflix's stock gained $10.02, or nearly 6 percent, to close Wednesday at $184.41. Earlier in the session, the stock hit a new 16-month high of $185.14.
Under the plan, mail would be delivered to homes and businesses only from Monday through Friday, but it would still be delivered to post office boxes on Saturdays. The plan, designed to save about $2 billion a year, could face a challenge from Congress.
Investors' reaction might have been different if Saturday mail service had been eliminated three years ago, when the idea was first broached.
Back then, mailing DVDs was still Netflix's main business. It was so important that Netflix grew into the postal service's biggest customer. When the total number of Netflix's subscribers receiving DVDs peaked at 24.6 million during the summer of 2011, the company was spending about $600 million annually for discs to make the round trip between customers' homes and dozens of distribution centers around the U.S.
Netflix began this year with just 8.2 million DVD subscribers, and the number is expected to keep dwindling as the instant gratification of being able to watch video over the Internet makes the notion of watching movies and TV shows on DVDs seem antiquated. By contrast, Netflix had 27.1 million Internet video subscribers in the U.S. at the start of the year. It doesn't even offer the DVD option in Canada, Latin America, the United Kingdom and other markets it's expanding to.
Janney Montgomery Scott analyst Tony Wible estimates that Netflix will spend about $300 million on postal expenses this year and perhaps as little as $200 million next year, depending how many more DVD subscribers cancel their service. The company no longer discloses its postal expenses.
The DVD-by-mail service began to shrink in mid-2011 when Netflix unbundled it from its rapidly growing service for streaming video to TVs and other devices with high-speed Internet connections. The change required Netflix customers to pay separate monthly fees if they wanted both Internet video and DVDs through the mail, which offered the latest theatrical releases more quickly.
The switch raised Netflix's prices by as much as 60 percent for those who wanted both options, much to the anger of hundreds of thousands of subscribers who canceled. Most customers, though, decided to stick with Internet video and dropped DVDs.
If Saturday mail delivery ends as planned this summer, even more subscribers may opt for a streaming-only plan.
Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter doubts most DVD subscribers will care about the loss of Saturday delivery. The customers most likely to be irked are ones who typically watch eight to 10 DVDs per month, because four or five fewer days of mail delivery each month will make it more difficult to get as many discs. "Those guys cost them money, so if they quit, it won't hurt them," Pachter said.
Netflix makes more money when its subscribers watch fewer DVDs in a month because its expenses go down while the monthly fee remains unchanged. The DVD plans start as $8, as do the ones for Internet streaming.
Even though Netflix has fewer DVD subscribers, that side of the business is still slightly more profitable than the streaming service. That's mainly because Netflix's licensing fees for Internet video are higher than its DVD expenses.
Netflix, which is based in Los Gatos, Calif., had little to say about Wednesday's developments, other than to say it's "in favor of a healthy postal service."
Netflix CEO Reed Hastings was more forthcoming during an April 2010 conference call with analysts. If Netflix were to lose Saturday home delivery before the company had more time to expand its streaming service, "it's not a good thing for us," Hastings said then. "We hope they hold off as long as possible, but we're also cognizant that the total health of the USPS is at stake, and they may need to make changes that they need to make."
The U.S. Postal Service's planned shift to five days of home delivery a week instead of six may even make Netflix Inc. slightly more profitable by lowering the costs for sending out its familiar red envelopes with DVDs. That's because subscribers may be able to watch fewer DVDs for the same monthly price.
That's why investors reacted positively to Wednesday's announcement that the U.S. Postal Service intends to stop Saturday home delivery beginning Aug. 10. Netflix's stock gained $10.02, or nearly 6 percent, to close Wednesday at $184.41. Earlier in the session, the stock hit a new 16-month high of $185.14.
Under the plan, mail would be delivered to homes and businesses only from Monday through Friday, but it would still be delivered to post office boxes on Saturdays. The plan, designed to save about $2 billion a year, could face a challenge from Congress.
Investors' reaction might have been different if Saturday mail service had been eliminated three years ago, when the idea was first broached.
Back then, mailing DVDs was still Netflix's main business. It was so important that Netflix grew into the postal service's biggest customer. When the total number of Netflix's subscribers receiving DVDs peaked at 24.6 million during the summer of 2011, the company was spending about $600 million annually for discs to make the round trip between customers' homes and dozens of distribution centers around the U.S.
Netflix began this year with just 8.2 million DVD subscribers, and the number is expected to keep dwindling as the instant gratification of being able to watch video over the Internet makes the notion of watching movies and TV shows on DVDs seem antiquated. By contrast, Netflix had 27.1 million Internet video subscribers in the U.S. at the start of the year. It doesn't even offer the DVD option in Canada, Latin America, the United Kingdom and other markets it's expanding to.
Janney Montgomery Scott analyst Tony Wible estimates that Netflix will spend about $300 million on postal expenses this year and perhaps as little as $200 million next year, depending how many more DVD subscribers cancel their service. The company no longer discloses its postal expenses.
The DVD-by-mail service began to shrink in mid-2011 when Netflix unbundled it from its rapidly growing service for streaming video to TVs and other devices with high-speed Internet connections. The change required Netflix customers to pay separate monthly fees if they wanted both Internet video and DVDs through the mail, which offered the latest theatrical releases more quickly.
The switch raised Netflix's prices by as much as 60 percent for those who wanted both options, much to the anger of hundreds of thousands of subscribers who canceled. Most customers, though, decided to stick with Internet video and dropped DVDs.
If Saturday mail delivery ends as planned this summer, even more subscribers may opt for a streaming-only plan.
Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter doubts most DVD subscribers will care about the loss of Saturday delivery. The customers most likely to be irked are ones who typically watch eight to 10 DVDs per month, because four or five fewer days of mail delivery each month will make it more difficult to get as many discs. "Those guys cost them money, so if they quit, it won't hurt them," Pachter said.
Netflix makes more money when its subscribers watch fewer DVDs in a month because its expenses go down while the monthly fee remains unchanged. The DVD plans start as $8, as do the ones for Internet streaming.
Even though Netflix has fewer DVD subscribers, that side of the business is still slightly more profitable than the streaming service. That's mainly because Netflix's licensing fees for Internet video are higher than its DVD expenses.
Netflix, which is based in Los Gatos, Calif., had little to say about Wednesday's developments, other than to say it's "in favor of a healthy postal service."
Netflix CEO Reed Hastings was more forthcoming during an April 2010 conference call with analysts. If Netflix were to lose Saturday home delivery before the company had more time to expand its streaming service, "it's not a good thing for us," Hastings said then. "We hope they hold off as long as possible, but we're also cognizant that the total health of the USPS is at stake, and they may need to make changes that they need to make."
just dumped cable service in favor of roku. We get Amazon and Netflix at a small price compared to the dull channels on cable. Still get NCIS and the other few good shows out there with an antenna. Went to clear channel as internet provider and more than halved our cost with a huge variety of shows to watch. Once streaming catches on the cable companies will have to either drop their prices or go the way of the dod-do.
The only problem with Netflix is that you can't stream the newer movies...it's Redbox for those. Netflix needs to get up to speed and stream all their movies then there subscribers would definitely go up.
Is anyone else sick of the "That's why" or "that's because" grammar crutch that seems to be used more and more these days? In most cases the sentence would survive just by replacing with a comma. Are modern people incapable of reading sentences longer than 20 words?Â
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@KH I don't think I have seen too many things like you have described, but overall understand what you mean. I think the big one for me is when someone uses the word "lose" for the word "loose"
That will suck rocks for those who cannot get more than dialup...and usually get the weekend's stuff on Saturday...after returning the previous weekend's stuff on Monday...Netflix shipping doesnt cycle QUITE fast enough to get rural delivery back and forth in 5 days....
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Redbox! Way better and far more convenient. Better selection to boot!
@On the other hand @Woodswalker Redbox is good...if you have one near you and only want newer movies. And better selection? How do you figure? Netflix's library of older DVDs is far superior to Redbox's library of about 200 movies in each machine. Netflix has 20,000 or more videos online and thousands more in physical form. And all you need for Netflix DVDs is a mailbox and an Internet connection (even dialup works for ordering physical DVDs).
@Landshark @On the other hand @TheMadTurk @Woodswalker I believe the # of separate streams is equal to the number of disc you have out (if you still recieve discs)
 @On the other hand  @TheMadTurk  @Woodswalker Sorry, but RedBox selection is FAR Inferior to Netflix. Â
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I just did a quick comparison search between the two. Â RedBox has no Star Wars or Star Trek. Â In fact, does RedBox even have sitcoms/tv shows? Â
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I'm sure it's great for single day movie rentals, but my $8.99 streaming allows me to watch dozens of shows/movies a month that I have time for. Â I always get more than my monies worth. Â Plus Netflix is integrated into most gaming consoles and smartphones. Â
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With Netflix you can have 2 (or is it 3?) simultaneous streaming videos on different devices, so both my Wife and I can watch different things at the same time.
 @On the other hand  @TheMadTurk Note above mention of dialup....kills streaming video on the internet.  Also...the ONE Redbox seems to have bupkis for selection when i can get there..
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First off there is one on almost every street corner, grocery store and WalMart, and you said it, older DVD's, if you wait a couple weeks to get it from your queue, and return the ones you have first. Nexflix's days are numbered.Â
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Redbox, instantaneous and only .99 a day. No monthly payment. NO MONTHLY PAYMENT, for a service you may or may not use. Check Redbox on the internet for streaming video too, and i get the same service for video games. http://www.redbox.com/instant
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Did I say Netflix's days are numbered?