Ken Schram: Do more than just complain about the homeless
SEATTLE -- I have very arbitrary rules about giving money to panhandlers.
Guys in their 20's and 30’s, no.
The guy in the wheelchair with both legs amputated below the knee claiming to be a vet, yes.
The guy in the white shirt and tie with a gas can and a sign saying he's trying to get to Spokane: What, do I look that stupid?
I also frequently buy the Real Change newspaper and donate money to a host of service agencies that feed and care for the homeless.
I bring this up because of a letter Mayor Mike McGinn got from a tourist complaining about aggressive panhandling in the fair City of Seattle.
The mayor's also been contacted by city business leaders saying panhandling and drug dealing on city streets is out of control.
Now, we already have laws against aggressive panhandling.
We certainly have laws against selling drugs on the street corner.
What we don't have is the financial means and the moral fortitude to rise above the issue of panhandling and confront the necessity of what to do for the mentally ill who wander our streets; what to do about the lack of substance abuse programs that could help people put their lives back together?
Instead, we pay attention to business leaders and tourists who object to seeing the underbelly of society and want more done to treat symptoms than to cure the sickness.
Pretty damn sad.
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Guys in their 20's and 30’s, no.
The guy in the wheelchair with both legs amputated below the knee claiming to be a vet, yes.
The guy in the white shirt and tie with a gas can and a sign saying he's trying to get to Spokane: What, do I look that stupid?
I also frequently buy the Real Change newspaper and donate money to a host of service agencies that feed and care for the homeless.
I bring this up because of a letter Mayor Mike McGinn got from a tourist complaining about aggressive panhandling in the fair City of Seattle.
The mayor's also been contacted by city business leaders saying panhandling and drug dealing on city streets is out of control.
Now, we already have laws against aggressive panhandling.
We certainly have laws against selling drugs on the street corner.
What we don't have is the financial means and the moral fortitude to rise above the issue of panhandling and confront the necessity of what to do for the mentally ill who wander our streets; what to do about the lack of substance abuse programs that could help people put their lives back together?
Instead, we pay attention to business leaders and tourists who object to seeing the underbelly of society and want more done to treat symptoms than to cure the sickness.
Pretty damn sad.
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I'm surprised Seattle hasn't made the cardboard army and homeless sign holders get a business permit to pan handle...
When you are driving down the freeway of life, and you pass a car wreck, you can A) slow down and stare, B) pull over and see if you can help, or C) gripe because now traffic is backed up and you are going to be late for work.
 @aquariusman . Not far from where I live, last winter a gallant servicewoman chose B)  and is dead.  She was killed by traffic.
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My point? Â Easy to be self-righteous.
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 @T-Prop She could have driven past and been killed by a looky-lou in a big SUV or a semi. I'm sorry she was killed, but I honor her that she elected to stop. That puts her ahead of 99.9% of the population.
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The church I attend (in my neighborhood - very near my daughter's middle school) supports and periodically hosts a tent city. That is a large part of the reason we began to attend there: a Christian evangelical church that actually does what the bible directs.
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I suppose you think that is being self-righteous also. Good luck with that!
 @JLS1950  @T-Prop Jesus said to help those in trouble, and yea, "they" will point and you and laugh at you, but do it anyway...
 @T-Prop I should have included D) do nothing by default.
 @T-Prop P.S. Good thing we have cops and EMTs. It's their job to be self-righteous.
 @T-Prop True, and risky to stick your neck out.
Put these poor souls on a ferry boat and send them to Bremerton it is Homeless friendly.
"Do more than just complain about the homeless"
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I was complaining?
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If you see a book from across the street, you have no way of knowing whether it's a great book or a piece of sh**. Same with a homeless person holding a sign. If you don't feel "the urge" to help them, then don't. Otherwise, give 'em $2 bucks and walk on. If they were like me 7 years ago, they will find a "Union Gospel Mission" type program within a few days, and emerge two years later sober and hopeful.
"I have very arbitrary rules about giving money to panhandlers. Guys in their 20's and 30âs, no."
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Hey Ken, Do you ask bums for I.D. before you give them your loose change?
Bums are like pigeons, stop feeding them and they will go away.Â
Bums are people too. Hope you never end up homeless..... Karma.
@LeftisBest Been homeless took me 2 weeks to find a program to get me started on the road to an apartment an an income that was 7 years ago. In the same time I have seen the revolving door that is the enabling environment he in Seattle. I can tell u. First hand that there is no reason for most of these panhandle to go get a job and a life they make way more money standing on the street and the more aggressive they are seems to bring in more money as people just want to be left alone. I firmly believe in helping those who need it. But Seattle needs to learn tough love and then practice it
 @LeftisBest As far as Karma goes I've offered homeless people some food but they prefered money instead so I think i'm good. Most homeless in Seattle are junkies and drunks, sorry but it's true. They don't want to change or help themselves they just want a handout so they can find their next fix.
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 @slappywag Now ME, I was homeless 7 years ago, and THEY helped ME, so now I feel I should help THEM.
 @slappywag YOU are right...YOU shouldn't do anything.
I've lived here my entire life, and have never seen Seattle this filled with panhandlers, drug dealers, gangs and just general lowlifes. Throwing piles of money at them is absolutely useless. It's never worked. Ever. I now completely avoid going to Seattle. Sad, really.
Yes, that is very sad that you let homeless people dictate whether you go to Seattle or not. You will find the same thing in every major metro all around the world. Good luck with that.
What I find sad is that this state and the city of Seattle claims to not have the funds to help the poor, but can spend millions of dollars on a animal crossing, or an overpass for bicyclists. The state and the city of Seattle has always found the money for thier favorite pet projects, homeless people are not one of them. But in reality, continually giving them money wont solve the problem, getting jobs back will. We are all about 2 paychecks away  from being homeless. And the "Progressive" savior doesnt seem to have an answer either......
 @Busyhands "We are all about 2 paychecks away  from being homeless."
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What a load of B.S.
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Some of us actually live within our means, save money, and don't incur much debt. If you're two paychecks away from being homeless, you probably don't do most of the above or you've made a lot of foolish financial decisions.
@StringerJoe Not as much B.S. as you would like to think. Obviously you make more money than you are worth if you have the option to make foolish financial decisions. Some of us don't have that kind of money to invest or burn foolishly, and just the loss of our jobs throws us on the street unless we have family to fall back on. Personally I haven't had to do that - I make do with what little I have, but failing 2 paychecks and yes, I too, would be on the street. You need to come down off your pedastal.
 @Hunter  @StringerJoe Who said I have the option to make foolish financial decisions?
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Do you need to buy the newest version of the iPhone? Do you pay 4 bucks for a cup of coffee? Do you drop 50 bucks a night when you go out on the weekend?
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I don't do any of these things. If you do, and you don't make a lot of money, then you are a fool. If you don't buy those things, and you are barely scraping by, then you should examine how you can increase your income.
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I don't understand this statement: "...you make more money than you are worth..." What the heck does that mean?
 @Busyhands two paychecks huh? better keep working. thats why people have jobs right? to make money and then spend it on the life they want.
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about the bicyclists, these are the people that have jobs, work, pay taxes and make seattle what it is. you propose giving the bums the money? come on! please make them lift a finger before you hand over 30million tax dollars to fun some sort of homeless whatever that'll benefit them, the part of the city that DOESNT have a job, work OR PAY TAXES.
The bankers responsible for the economy should be required to adopt the homeless.
There is another group that should be included-the poor who have been hurt by the economic downturn. I was earning $30/hr when my job was eliminated in 2009. I lost my home -everything including my savings and 401k. It took me 3.5 years to land a job making half that. I was really close to begging on the street corners - I have a Bachelors, I don't drink or do drugs and I don't know anyone who is financially able to assist. So to those who judge the homeless or "beggers" - there but for the grace of God goes you.
If ytou want to cure the sickenss,  treatment is the answer,  According to Ken, more money and resources should be thrown at this problem.  There is a serious downside to this simple ideal - when there is more effort by responsible people to help the less fortunate, the less fortunate become accustomed to someone else carrying the load. According to the information I found, the City of Seattle spent over 40 MILLION in FY2011 dealing with the homeless issue.  Maybe we should double that - throw more money at the problem. Here's the deal - We can throw 40 BILLION at the problem and all that will happen is that the homeless issue worse.  Here's an idea; round up all the urban outdoor campers, put them in a controlled, 6-month  work/rehab camp-type environment. While confined to this environment,  the camper will learn job, communication and eductaional skills. that are designed to make the camper succeed, and not a problem. Also make these campers take counseling to deal with thier various issues; addctions/mental, etc. When they are not being kept busy learning they should be working - let them take over cleaning roads, parks, etc.  They can be paid, the money bankrolled by the State - and given to them when they are released. If this is done right, the problem will go away.  ,. The campers are comfortable with their current lifestyle choices; after all, not much effort required.  As far as mental issues - BS we ALL have issues,mentally or otherwise - this is  just a convenient excuse to justify thier behavior and lifestyle choices.  My opinion,that's all
"When they are not being kept busy learning they should be working - let them take over cleaning roads, parks, etc. Â They can be paid, the money bankrolled by the State - and given to them when they are released."
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It's a novel concept Pegasus, but now yer stepping on government union jobs. Can't have that.
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What's yer solution Ken? More taxes?
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Our governments job is to fund education and to provide for 1st responders. BOTH are held held at gunpoint to the peoples heads already. If ya wanna help the homeless, get rid of the tax for arts bs. You seem so passionate for the homeless Ken. Or is that too much to ask?
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Paradise by the Dashboard Lights. What's it gonna be boy, yes or no?
Any $$ only vindicates and/or encourages them to stand on the corner. I donate $$ and time to the local food banks. Make charitable donations. These are all available to those in question. They just don't seek it out. Anyone see that gal at the 4 Ave NE exit off 405 w/ her iPhone? These folks are receiving $$ tax free. Nice living: http://www.koco.com/news/oklahomanews/okc/Panhandler-arrested-claims-to-have-made-60-000-last-year/-/11777584/15620916/-/o4flxb/-/index.html
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Money for substance abuse programs. That's all the$e people need!
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So just raise car tab renewals in King County a few hundred a year. Create a full time focus group of drug counselors to finally cure these folks of their addiction ills.
I wonder how many of the people commenting on here, especially Schram, REALLY have a clue about the "homeless" in Seattle, including those that volunteer and/or work to assist them. Remember, you are seeing one side of them, and getting one story from people that say what you want to hear, so they can get something for free, from you. As a Patrol Officer,  I interact with them practically everyday, over and over. I see all sides of their lives, and how their lives and actions and decisions affect themselves and others. I see the crimes they commit against others. I see the nuisances they cause. I see them at their worst, not just when they are acting in order to guilt a gullible enabler into giving them more. I've seen the needles, the booze, the killings, and so on. They are not victims. They are predators, and they are dangerous. Are there some, legitimately homeless people that need our help? You bet there are. However, they are a tiny fraction of that population, and, they are usually the one's that work to change their situation, and leave that lifestyle, so, they are not around long. And, good on them. The rest, they are a scourge.Â
 @ButtercupSprinkles I agree, have to separate the wheat from the chaff.
 @ButtercupSprinkles Thanks for the first hand observational data. Â
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You forgot to add "not very bright" to the "predators" part, otherwise they'd be rolling in the dough on Wallstreet.
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 @ButtercupSprinkles Well said!!!
@ButtercupSprinkles ; Well said. The cops see it all, as do the probation offiers, corrections officers, paramedics, etc, etc. The truly hurting and helpless out there do have programs to help them, maybe not as mucha s there could be, but it is there. But  what many homeless shelters/jobs programs/etc ask is the ability/will to follow a few basic rules.
I do agree with you Ken about the 20 something's. I work around Westlake and I'm sick of the constant crowd of losers hanging out there trying to sell dope at 4th and Pine when the cops aren't looking. It's not anybody's fault but their own that they didn't listen to their high school guidance counselors and I'm sure if they stopped smoking weed for at least a few weeks they could pass a pee test and get a job. The last I checked dishes still didn't wash themselves and that's how I started out.Â
I give to charity but never to panhandlers.  It peeves me that majority of them have entitlement issues and throw a tantrum when they don't get the money they think they deserve.Â
 @seattle123 Hit it spot on - the entitlement.
@seattle123 In all of my years living in Seattle and the Puget Sound area, I have NEVER once had anyone complain about the amount of money I've given them.
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So your statement that the "majority" of them have entitlement issues is wrong.
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Perhaps you should consider increasing the amount you are willing to part with?
@commonHuskyfan ...Because that's what's important...the amount you're willing to part with.
There's also laws against corruption but I don't see any of you changing that!
Our whole society is geared toward treating symptoms and not the causes. Just look at pharmacology. There are almost no new cures coming out these days. There are however, 100s of thousands of new treatments (expensive ones) coming out for everything from restless legs to cancer. Including many things that don't really need to be treated but hey it is profitable. The people who have the money make more money by keeping the problems in place and uncured.
Society as a whole is saturated with other people's needs. We are all given out. Food banks are crying, communities are tring to keep up with the low-income housing to no effect, prisons are filled to overflowing and our streets are filled up and overflowing with more than just humans. Ken, you said it well. We are putting band-aids on a viral vicious disease of which there seems to be no answer. You mentioned the sickness--what might that be? There are a few wise intelligent people left in this world that know what it is. What do you think it is?
How many of you have been on the streets? Really? I was unemployed due to the economy and I had a job. I was working at this job while being homeless for 8 months. Not nice trying to sleep in the back of a REALLY small car but I made it and was able to get an apartment.
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THEN I got laid off THAT job and had unemployment. Still looking for work I never was able to find anything and then ran out of ALL my extensions and faced homelessness again. I found ANOTHER job but that only last 4 months and I was back to being homeless.
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I tried all the assistance places I could find and those that I did decided I didn't qualify because I was "single, no dependents". I was even told that, "Unless you have a child in your house or you have someone you have to take care of, your basically screwed". (Yes, THAT was a direct quote from a DSHS worker).
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So, I was looking of trying to find a place to go with my pets, my stuff AND also of being stuck back in that small car.
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LUCKILY I found a program that's paying my rent but there are so many hoops to jump thru I feeling like a Tigger because if I don't bounce right, I'm out.
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The streets suck. Even with a car I had the cops banging on my windows, threatening to arrest me because I was homeless and "if you look at me funny one more time, I'm taking your ass to jail". (Lovely, Mr. SPD Officer).
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Not everyone out there is a drug addict, not everyone is going to buy alcohol, but when my car would run out of gas on my way to work because I had to go WAY out of the way to find a decent place to sleep and take a shower, people looked at me like I was scum.
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There are other states who actually make an attempt to keep people OFF the streets. It's called "Renter's Assistance" and the don't make it ONLY for families, but WA state DOES. I know. I've slept in the back of that small little care more than I can remember since I've lived here.
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Kinda makes me a bit mad. I'd LOVE to have another job, I'd LOVE to me able to breathe and make sure I have my money coming in that I earn and not have to jump all the time.
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If you have a job in the technical field, hey, hit me up. I'd love to work. Unlike other homeless who don't.
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So, c'mon send me something feasible. Don't ASSUME that all homeless are trash. You might be surprised to find your former next door neighbor with a sign "NEED GAS TO GET TO WORK" on the corner. Then what would you do?
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 @Grey Wolfe I would like to put a mention for a place called "the Aloha Inn", on Bus 358, by Aurora bridge. Spent a year and a half there, working and saving and healing. Excellent program for working homeless...of course a wait list and strict zero-tolerance for drugs/alcohol.
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A lot of people are in your same shoes. Its very difficult to get back once you've been on the streets. You can't even get food stamps without an address. Its funny, the church put up a big nice apartment complex in George to house illegal aliens that are working in the fields but yet we can't do that on this side of the mountains. @Grey Wolfe
You should feel like a tigger since that's another one of your nicknames...lolll
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 @ErinShenangins I seem to remember that tigger was very sad because he didn't have any friends...Didn't Poo befriend him, because that's what Poos do?