Ken Schram: Maybe it's magic?

Boeing is constantly launching commercial planes and testing some military trainers right there as well.  I'd be pretty surprised if anyone noticed a difference.  The Seattle/Everett area is known for building and supporting commercial jets.  Look what happened to Detroit when someone decided to support car building elsewhere.

It's called progress Ken.

Perhaps you could find the answer to your questions in the FAA's finding.  They do have to publish one, don't they?

The noisiest plane that flies over my house, is the WSP spotter plane. It just keeps flying round and round in circles, Get A Muffler!!

Yes Ken, its magic.....the same kind that Obama and Biden cast during the summer of recovery, the kind of spell you find to compelling. You worry about clean air Schram? Quit your smoking then, do something beside whine all the time!

I'm fine with it being a private Airport, but No federal dollars should go to it then. Let those that use it pay for its upkeep.

It is an airport, what a novel approach, aerospace vehicles need this kind real estate to take off and land. It was built many years ago with the future in mind. Does any more need to be said?

You sure that is not the bird.

I live in the flight path of Pain Field. I know it was there when I bought. To complain about noise is absurd. To all in the area you also know it was there. Call the Waaaambulance. Time to upgrade the airport and bring in more comercial traffic.

Ken, have you ever even been in the area? I doubt it, so what do you know about the noise in the area?

 

I for one would love it. It would bring more jobs to the area. It would also make it possible for me to fly somewhere without having to go through Seattle or Bellevue, saving at least an hour in commute time. As for those in the area who might complain about the noise then they shouldn't have bought a house there. Boeing makes plenty of noise, and yes Ken, that's from personal experience of working just off the south end of the runway.

 

So Ken, for your lack of understanding and actually getting out and checking things out, as well as whining about something that would create a lot of jobs for those in the Everett area, Come on down and bring yourself a Schrammy!

Ken, people like you are a good part of the reason the study cost as much as it did.  This is a busy not so little airport.  Opening it to larger commercial, specifically passenger aircraft is long overdue.  Go back to wining about gun control and gay rights.  You are even more off base here than usual.  If I did not know better I would say you were trolling, wait I really don’t know better, possibly that is what you are doing (again).    

If I they would let me, I would build my house at the end of 34L.  I love the sound of jets.

 

If Ken had it his way, he would replace all airports with beautiful fields of daises.

Go have another Bowl Ken.

Uhm Its an airport....where they BUILD and REPAIR large jet aircraft....it USED to be a MILITARY airfield (Pre-WWII throught the Mid '60s) with REALLY loud aircraft.

 

Paine Field is the primary assembly location for the Boeing 747, 767, 777 and 787 heavy aircraft...Boeing delivers several hundred heavy aircraft a year from Everett, with the required engine runs and flight testing not to mention the LCF (DreamLifter) that delivers sections of the 787 for final assembly.

 

In addition, ATS overhauls over 400 aircraft a year for commercial passenger and freight operators with all the attendant testing required including engine runs that can happen 24/7.

 

In short its ALREADY not quiet...its an AIRPORT FOLKS.  Dont like it...MOVE.

 

Oh, I DO stay nearby, it sounds like MONEY in the form of JOBS.

Maybe it would be better to put a new airport east of Bellevue. I am sure the whine of the NIMBY's would drown out any jet noise....

 

When you look at the size of the holding and approach patterns, the problem is not just the in the local proximity of the airport.

 

With more and more flights, wouldn't it make more sense to place the airport in a low population area and have high speed (bullet train) type connections to the cities?

 

For instance, here in the northwest we could put a mega airport out in Moses Lake and have bullet train connections to Spokane, Portland, Tacoma, Seattle, Bellingham, etc. This would certainly be cheaper with less noise pollution than an airport for each community.  

Tell you what, as someone who lives North of Seattle, access to an airport other than Seatac is ideal.     There are some tangible considerations regarding airport access during the hours in which the Boeing shifts occur, but the rest of the time airport access is pretty good.  

 

Regarding noise specifically, simply allow the commercial flights to only occur between 7am and 9pm.     It may not be ideal, but for some, it will be less hassle than Seatac and everyone around the area can sleep well.     I work right next to the airport and I hardly hear the aircraft anymore.

In all actuality, between the FedEx, UPS, Boeing test flights, Customer test flights, Maintenance flights, and the Large Cargo Freighter, it gets kind of noisy... Seems to me, they should be adjusting the flight path of these..(incoming flights ) to arrive in the area a bit higher, and have a steeper decent to the runway at 1 mile out.

I live in Lynnwood, and the LCF flies over my house, and it is quite loud... 

Now, it would be good if they did limit the type of aircraft,  turbo prop.. which are a bit quieter, then it would be nice..and few people would complain, except for the whiners..

airports always are there first then come developers who buy cheap land around the airport and build homes instead of the businesses that the airport expected to be built around them. Next comes the complaints from the buyers of the homes and they want the airport shutdown. all i can say is buyer beware of were you buy. 

And Kenny made all this up from his desk.......MIght take a bit of heat off of SEA don'tcha thnk? Paine Field has enormous buffers around it, unlike SEA.  We're gonna need more flight capability sooner or later. The only viable options are building a new one in Duvall or perhaps enlarging the Tacoma Narrows (doubtful).

Yeah, those Horizon Bombardier's sure make a lot of noise.

 

And think of the "Green Factor" Ken!

 

What about all those North Sound folks who have to pollute the air with their nasty SUV's getting stuck in SB I-5 traffic into Seattle on their way to Henry M. Jackson International Airport?

I understand the point of view that if an airport is there expect noise.  However when I moved to the area in 2001 an agreement was in place that the airport was only for Boeing/small aircraft and an agreement was in place not to use it for commercial flights.  The county & FAA have not been sincere in listening to Mukilteo residents and are simply going through the motions.  It has been apparent for some time that infrastructure has been going in including widening roads, new hotels, etc.  The concern is once they start they will continue to add more flights and within 10 years it will be Seatac North.   

It seems like the people complaining bought houses near an airport after the airport was already there, and now they want to be the next ones to exclaim, "Not in my backyard."  Seattle could use another airport, and Paine Field is perfectly located to serve the Northern Seattle Suburbs.  I'm sure those same people complaining will love taking a flight out of the airport 5 minutes away from their house once commercial flights are available.

Ken, they aren't full of bull.... it is something else...

 

Yes. Between all the services aircraft flying in and out of Paine field, those aircraft getting serviced just glide on in under no power.

 

If you own a house by an airport...wait for it...you're going to have to expect...

 

NOISE. Don't like it? Sell your house to a deaf person.

Anything to give me an option over Sea-Tac. Thank you.

I live a distance away from JBLM's flight line however I am directly in the path that the airplanes take when circling to land or when taking off. And they fly LOW. Every single night there are planes coming and going. You get used to the noise.

Ken, I agree with many of the things you write about, but as an objective reader, I wish you would start citing some kind of data from to support your arguements. In this case, facts from aviation experts or other impact studies done for other airports.

I remember Williams Air Force Base, near Mesa, AZ was closed and converted to Williams Gateway Airport in the early 1990s. I dont recall any significant noise increase. For one, Williams was not designated an international airport like Phoenix Sky Harbor, but instead a regional airport like Scottsdale Airpark. An airport the size of that generates noise, obviously but not to the extent that a three runway international airport like Sea-Tac would.

 

Another issue, is that the neighborhoods around Paine, not like sea-tac was when it was built. A lot of homes and neighborhoods were developed and encroached on Sea-Tac over the years after it was constructed.That being said, I am pretty sure that there would be noise regulations on the types of flights that could land and take off, and when they could. In fact, I'll even help you out here: John Wayne Airport in Irvine, CA requires that planes must take off at a steep incline, then cut power to the engines to 50% while they fly over surrounding neighborhoods, and then increase power again when they reach minimum altitude

If you buy a house near an airport, noise is part of the bargain. Why would ANYONE think otherwise?

 

It's not like Paine Field is some small grass strip where the occasional Cessna goes, they already have JETS in/out. Plenty of the smaller 'hop' style carriers will be using turbo-props which are quieter than what is already flying there.

Ken, you're pretty far off base here.  There's a huge road that leads to Paine Field which has hardly any traffic, and the airport itself already has tons of air traffic.  A few dozen more flights per day won't make a bit of difference.  I suggest taking the short drive up to Everett and looking for yourself, rather than making quick assumptions.

Not necessarily a bad thing to have multiple commercial airports in the area.  If it offers more options for flying that's good for the traveler.  If it brings more carriers, resulting in more travelers to the area, that could be good for local businesses.  So long as it can be done while mitigating the impact to local residents (who chose to buy houses near an airport) I support the idea.

 

Mike

Sounds like a big paine to me!

I live in Roy and we have JBLM to contend with.  Now mind you when I bought my house 17 years ago I knew what I was getting into and the occasional artillery fire and aircraft noise is accepted.

Joel, where are you coming from on this? Is this a Seattle fight starting because they don't want competition to move to Everett? Having a passenger terminal north of Seattle would greatly cut down on Seattle area traffic once the airlines adopt this and they will. This will add a great boost to Everett's economy and maybe Seattle fears this happening. Seattle has been able to monopolize much of the states money for infrastructure upgrades including the light rail to SeaTac, so maybe it is time the rest of the state gets some spending. Maybe it is time to put a tunnel through Everett also? I do like the idea of less people driving through Seattle and I would think the Seattle snobs would like the same. 

...and if it add more noise & traffic, what's the issue?  Neighbors complaining?  Deal with it....you chose to live by an AIRPORT....the well duh item of the day.

The commercial jets are quite compared to Engine testing... Jus sayin.

I hope they don't do it. It will take away from the ambiance created by Boeing testing engines at 3:00am.