The Schrammie: Why the secrecy in rowdy cops investigation?

Sorry all you anti Ken ppl are f'ing high. One of them was DRIVING DRUNK. And not fired? Please, you don't have to be held criminally accountable to be fired from a PD. You don't even need to be charged with a crime. That is what the WSCJTC calls disqualifying misconduct in its peace officer de-certification process. I'm disgusted by the inaction of looking the other way on the DUI. You want to act like an ass, go for it, you want to run your mouth, go for it, you want to tell ppl your a cop, go for it, you want to drive drunk, go to f'ing hell. Go tell a a family member of the victim of a DUI fatality that 4 weeks is good enough. Absolutely disgusting.

While I think they got off with not even a hard hand slap in the anti-cop culture Ken has helped to create I am not surprised that they are keeping as much information under wraps as possible. The ambulance chasing lawyers would have a field day with all the cases they have been involved with. I do not think that this dumb act is a true reflection as to their behavior on the job. Just look at the normal crowed that shows up at the games….

Interesting.  I do wish Mr. angry Ken the best, but I did ask Brian Johnson to take Schram with him.

 

You can blame me. 

 

KOMO will probably find someone else more controversial and like Ken, cast in leftist concrete.

Well, at least these guys didn't get promoted to the SWAT team - you know, the guys with the sniper rifles!

Fired? no, a ticket yes! obviously a couple. Did anyone  know schools pull the same hide and seek game? as a parent, id like to know exactly whats going on .I guess, too the best of any ones  knowledge.

I am not shock by the behavior of the Officers involved and how their boss swept it under the rug. I have zero faith in the local LEOs to do the right thing...I would be shock if the BPD officers acted like human beings and their Chief stood up for the citizens instead of the thugs in her department. 

Even though I disagree with Ken a lot, I appreciate his ability to bring a different perspective to many issues.  BIG MISTAKE KOMO.  I have ZERO reason to read your site anymore as Ken was one the big reasons to stop by. 

I would have fired their sorry arses.  They are "supposed" to be representatives of our LEO community, not acting like petulant college worms.  And, although we disagreed on MOST subjects, like a previous poster said, losing a job sux!  May you find peace and long life in whatever you do.  I wish no ill will upon anyone, especially in this time of year.  Good luck Ken.

Schram leaving KOMO?  As he has grown older, he is less shrill and less socialist/liberal. Maybe KOMO is afraid his increasing rationality will hurt the city"s corrupt environment. 

Perhaps they know if the media get hold of it, it wil be blown out of proportion and used to make the police look like evil thugs.  That seems to be the purpose of every newscast I see lately.

 

Ken,

 

The few times I agreed with you, well let's say it is under 3 digits.  Some times you bet.  Most often, nope.

 

Regardless, losing a job stinks.  Stinks for all of us who work hard and I know you do too.

 

Old saying, doors close but others open.  I am sure you are fine and all will go well.  Take a vacation and enjoy.

 

Blessings, health and long life to you Mr. Schram.  We may not agree in many areas, but I would put it on the line for your right to do so sir.

Ken, regardless of how frequently you are disagreed with, you will be missed.  Thank you for all your years and I wish you the best.

As to the subject matter, cover-up doesn't surprise me.  I think that officers should be held to a higher standard than most folks, since they are the ones punishing us for our behavior.  Unfortunately the reality is that it's very much an us vs. them situation, and the higher-ups are going to do whatever they can to keep their cops away from public scrutiny.  C'est la vie.

Yeah its a shame Ken got the boot but all MSM companies don't like true editorial content like Ken's. Just a sign of the times and why so many of us are moving to the web to try and get true media content. Time for you to retire after 35 years anyway Ken. Set back and enjoy life some.

Same union or affiliate?

Sorry to hear about your dismissal Mr. Schram. The world has gotten to PC for an honest opinion. I wish you luck in the future and hopefully you always speak your mind. Seattle has lost another great voice in consecutive days with The Gasman leaving KJR tomorrow.

Ken,

 

Just saw where you are leaving. This is a sad day in Seattle media.

 

JCM

Ken, you can thank a union somewhere for the review process being closed door, it isn't the police agency. That sort of stuff gets written into contracts. And according to press reports, the reassignment and drop in income was significant. I think the outcome was OK as there was a financial bite assigned and a loss of prestige by being removed from a specialty unit.

If it had been a private citizen, they would of been charged with drunk and disorderly conduct at the very least.  A police officer driving home drunk, and it is known?  Disgusting.  Guess the "brotherhood" always sticks together, as usual.  And then try and sweep it under the table. "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely".  Always a way for our law enforcement and justice system to attempt to take care of their own, and not the public.  Again beyond disgusting. 

I don't want you to leave, Ken...not right.

I agree... Yeah, probably the correct level of punishment given what we know. They were publicly drunk, loud, profane, obnoxious and abusive (hmmm, perhaps we should expect a little more of them?) but If it is found any cop flashed a badge to intimidate someone (let alone another LEO) it represents a danger that is far more serious and should be punished more severely. Sorry to see that KOMO is eliminating your position Ken... we have agreed and disagreed over the years but you have integrity... more than I am witnessing from your employer.

Had this been a "private" citizen you would have been arrested for harrassing a police officer.  Another fine example of how the thin blue line protects its own and why the SPD is under scrutiny by the justice dept.  Hey when does the Bellevue PD get this honor. Soon by the sounds of it

Ken, that's an easy one and so obvious -  It's "THE CULTURE OF THE BROTHERHOOD."

Here is what I don't understand.  These officers made a mistake, an error in judgement.  Based on Ken's opinion and what I've read in the comments so far it seems like most people want these individuals to lose their careers over this.  Losing highly regarded positions and in one case a demotion is a serious consequence. 

 

As reported the punishment probably fits the "crime".  The reprimand will probably follow these officers their entire careers, limiting opportunities and costing them lots of money into the future. Let them get back to work.

"I say "probably" because Chief Pillo is not releasing details of the investigation; not releasing the extent to which the whole matter was looked into."

 

Sorry to be a grammar enforcer, but this is the wrong way to use a semi colon.  Semi colons join independent clauses, not an independent clause and a dependent clause.  Thank you. 

Ken, you got this one right.  Intimidating fellow officers and citizens and drunk driving while off duty is unacceptable, what is their bound of acceptable actions while on duty?  Police Chief Linda Pillo release of the internal investigation without questioning is absurd.

Sounds like the punishment is in line with the crime. It was just littering and being obnoxious. Yeah they should have acted more like adults but I just don't expect much out of public employees any more.

It's all the drunk driving and speeding tickets by police officers that are "covered up" or "forgotten about" that should be made public.

There were no charges filed against these officers Ken, therefore it is not a public matter. These are simply allegations, and the Bellevue Police Department dealt with it by reprimanding both officers. Thats enough, leave it alone.

Hey Ken, lets' see your personal file.  Until then, why don't you keep your toy.  Oh btw, a demotion and removal from a specialty team will cost these two thousands of dollars plus multiple thousands by the city to replace them.  And a crime wasn't even committed.

It is a personnel matter and personnel matters are almost always kept completely private.  If not, the affected parties can AND DO sue the employer.

Ken, you're leaving KOMO?  Say it ain't so!

Jeez Ken. Not everything a PD does is subject to your personal scrutiny. They investigated, the punishments were meted out (will cost the participants thousands of $$$) and you want to second guess what is going on? Its done, its over. Move on to something else why don't you?.