Packers seething as NFL replacement refs take heat

GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) - With the Green Bay Packers still seething, fans pondering the possibility of turning off their televisions on NFL Sundays and even the President weighing in, it's official: Overnight, the NFL's replacement referees went from minor nuisance to staggering problem.
With the league's regular officials locked out since June and frustration with their replacements already festering throughout the league, the worst-case scenario finally materialized in Monday night's Packers-Seahawks game in Seattle: A mistake by a replacement official decided the outcome of a game.
A last-second scrum in the end zone was ruled a touchdown to Seahawks receiver Golden Tate. But Packers players, their fans and much of the football-watching public saw a clear-cut interception by Green Bay's M.D. Jennings.
Aaron Rodgers used his weekly radio show Tuesday as a platform to lash out at an NFL-issued statement explaining the replacement officials' decision. The MVP quarterback also questioned the league's priorities in its labor dispute with the regular refs.
"I just feel bad for the fans," Rodgers said on Milwaukee's ESPN 540 AM. "They pay good money and the game is being tarnished by an NFL who obviously cares more about saving a little money than having the integrity of the game diminish a little bit."
Even President Barack Obama got in on the conversation Tuesday, tweeting: "NFL fans on both sides of the aisle hope the refs' lockout is settled soon."
Packers coach Mike McCarthy continued to take the high road Tuesday night, but said he did appreciate the passion of a handful of fans who stood outside Lambeau Field with protest signs. McCarthy also said he thought the play "clearly" was an interception. His colleagues around the NFL apparently thought the same thing.
"I received more text messages and emails than I did after the Super Bowl," McCarthy said. "I can tell the impact this made."
And while the NFL and its regular officials resumed talks in an attempt to resolve the impasse, every day the labor dispute lingers could further tarnish the league's reputation.
"At this point, the NFL leadership is on a disappearing island," said Ramsey Poston, a crisis communications expert and president of Tuckahoe Strategies.
"Virtually every important stakeholder group, including its broadcast partners, coaches, players and fans are outraged. Every day that goes by without resolution to the dispute is another day the brand is damaged. And a damaged brand potentially means lower TV ratings, more empty seats and fewer tickets sold. We might not see that this week, but we will if the lockout extends through the season."
Poston, who managed communications for NASCAR for nearly ten years - including the fallout around the death of star driver Dale Earnhardt - said Monday night's game was a turning point that requires swift action.
"Disaster is lurking," Poston said. "There is no reason to believe the replacement referees will suddenly get better - and now in light of all the negative media attention their confidence as a group has to be shot to hell. How could anyone perform under these conditions? They will be second guessed on every call."
In a statement issued Tuesday, the NFL said Seattle's last-second touchdown pass should not have counted because Tate should have been called for offensive pass interference, ending the game with Green Bay winning. Instead, officials ruled it a touchdown, and penalties either way are not reviewable.
That left it to whether Tate and Jennings both had possession of the ball. The officials said they did, but the Packers insisted Jennings had clear possession for a game-ending interception.
The NFL agreed that the replay was inconclusive, upholding the touchdown and giving Seattle the victory.
"The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review," the league said in a statement.
Saying there was no indisputable evidence, though, is not the same as confirming the initial call was correct.
Rodgers, in a reference to referee Wayne Elliott not seeing indisputable evidence, said: "I mean, come on, Wayne. That's embarrassing."
The Packers, one of sports' most storied franchises, fell to 1-2. The Seahawks are 2-1.
On his weekly appearance on Seattle radio station 710 AM, Seahawks coach Pete Carroll made no apologies Tuesday, saying, "The league backed it up and game over. We win."
"Golden makes an extraordinary effort. It's a great protection. It's a great throw. It's a great attempt at the ball and he wins the battle," he said. "They were right on the point looking right at it, standing right over the thing and they reviewed it. Whether they missed the push or not - obviously they missed the push in the battle for the ball - but that stuff goes on all the time."
NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith posted a statement to members saying the lockout "jeopardizes your health and safety."
"This decision to remove more than 1,500 years of collective experience has simply made the workplace less safe," he wrote, adding, "We are actively reviewing any and all possible actions to protect you."
The NFL locked out the officials in June after their contract expired. Unable to reach a new collective bargaining agreement, the league opened the season with replacements, most with experience only in lower levels of college football.
Coaches and players began griping about the officials in the preseason, but the tension seemed to boil over this past weekend. Scuffles after the whistle were frequent with players appearing to test the limits of the new officials, and coaches were fined for berating them.
Fans' fascination with the finish was evident in the number who stayed with ESPN to watch the highlights on "SportsCenter" after the game: 6.5 million viewers, the most for the full-length show since records started being kept in 1990.
Las Vegas oddsmakers said $300 million or more changed hands worldwide on Monday's call. The Glantz-Culver line for the game opened favoring the Packers by 4½. Had the play been ruled an interception, Green Bay would have won by 5.
The call also found its way into Wisconsin politics, with Republican Gov. Scott Walker tweeting for the regular officials to return. Opponents noted that he seemed to be supporting the referees union after going after public employee unions last year, though Democratic state Sen. Jon Erpenbach added: "We're all fans, first and foremost."
McCarthy, meanwhile, said the team needs to move past the incident and focus on Sunday's game against New Orleans.
"We're not going to get any help," McCarthy said. "I know this is going to be a story that everybody wants to continue to talk about. And frankly, I'm not going to act like it's not there. This is a play that I'm sure we'll see on TV as we move on in our lives. That's the facts of our business."
With the league's regular officials locked out since June and frustration with their replacements already festering throughout the league, the worst-case scenario finally materialized in Monday night's Packers-Seahawks game in Seattle: A mistake by a replacement official decided the outcome of a game.
A last-second scrum in the end zone was ruled a touchdown to Seahawks receiver Golden Tate. But Packers players, their fans and much of the football-watching public saw a clear-cut interception by Green Bay's M.D. Jennings.
Aaron Rodgers used his weekly radio show Tuesday as a platform to lash out at an NFL-issued statement explaining the replacement officials' decision. The MVP quarterback also questioned the league's priorities in its labor dispute with the regular refs.
"I just feel bad for the fans," Rodgers said on Milwaukee's ESPN 540 AM. "They pay good money and the game is being tarnished by an NFL who obviously cares more about saving a little money than having the integrity of the game diminish a little bit."
Even President Barack Obama got in on the conversation Tuesday, tweeting: "NFL fans on both sides of the aisle hope the refs' lockout is settled soon."
Packers coach Mike McCarthy continued to take the high road Tuesday night, but said he did appreciate the passion of a handful of fans who stood outside Lambeau Field with protest signs. McCarthy also said he thought the play "clearly" was an interception. His colleagues around the NFL apparently thought the same thing.
"I received more text messages and emails than I did after the Super Bowl," McCarthy said. "I can tell the impact this made."
And while the NFL and its regular officials resumed talks in an attempt to resolve the impasse, every day the labor dispute lingers could further tarnish the league's reputation.
"At this point, the NFL leadership is on a disappearing island," said Ramsey Poston, a crisis communications expert and president of Tuckahoe Strategies.
"Virtually every important stakeholder group, including its broadcast partners, coaches, players and fans are outraged. Every day that goes by without resolution to the dispute is another day the brand is damaged. And a damaged brand potentially means lower TV ratings, more empty seats and fewer tickets sold. We might not see that this week, but we will if the lockout extends through the season."
Poston, who managed communications for NASCAR for nearly ten years - including the fallout around the death of star driver Dale Earnhardt - said Monday night's game was a turning point that requires swift action.
"Disaster is lurking," Poston said. "There is no reason to believe the replacement referees will suddenly get better - and now in light of all the negative media attention their confidence as a group has to be shot to hell. How could anyone perform under these conditions? They will be second guessed on every call."
In a statement issued Tuesday, the NFL said Seattle's last-second touchdown pass should not have counted because Tate should have been called for offensive pass interference, ending the game with Green Bay winning. Instead, officials ruled it a touchdown, and penalties either way are not reviewable.
That left it to whether Tate and Jennings both had possession of the ball. The officials said they did, but the Packers insisted Jennings had clear possession for a game-ending interception.
The NFL agreed that the replay was inconclusive, upholding the touchdown and giving Seattle the victory.
"The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review," the league said in a statement.
Saying there was no indisputable evidence, though, is not the same as confirming the initial call was correct.
Rodgers, in a reference to referee Wayne Elliott not seeing indisputable evidence, said: "I mean, come on, Wayne. That's embarrassing."
The Packers, one of sports' most storied franchises, fell to 1-2. The Seahawks are 2-1.
On his weekly appearance on Seattle radio station 710 AM, Seahawks coach Pete Carroll made no apologies Tuesday, saying, "The league backed it up and game over. We win."
"Golden makes an extraordinary effort. It's a great protection. It's a great throw. It's a great attempt at the ball and he wins the battle," he said. "They were right on the point looking right at it, standing right over the thing and they reviewed it. Whether they missed the push or not - obviously they missed the push in the battle for the ball - but that stuff goes on all the time."
NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith posted a statement to members saying the lockout "jeopardizes your health and safety."
"This decision to remove more than 1,500 years of collective experience has simply made the workplace less safe," he wrote, adding, "We are actively reviewing any and all possible actions to protect you."
The NFL locked out the officials in June after their contract expired. Unable to reach a new collective bargaining agreement, the league opened the season with replacements, most with experience only in lower levels of college football.
Coaches and players began griping about the officials in the preseason, but the tension seemed to boil over this past weekend. Scuffles after the whistle were frequent with players appearing to test the limits of the new officials, and coaches were fined for berating them.
Fans' fascination with the finish was evident in the number who stayed with ESPN to watch the highlights on "SportsCenter" after the game: 6.5 million viewers, the most for the full-length show since records started being kept in 1990.
Las Vegas oddsmakers said $300 million or more changed hands worldwide on Monday's call. The Glantz-Culver line for the game opened favoring the Packers by 4½. Had the play been ruled an interception, Green Bay would have won by 5.
The call also found its way into Wisconsin politics, with Republican Gov. Scott Walker tweeting for the regular officials to return. Opponents noted that he seemed to be supporting the referees union after going after public employee unions last year, though Democratic state Sen. Jon Erpenbach added: "We're all fans, first and foremost."
McCarthy, meanwhile, said the team needs to move past the incident and focus on Sunday's game against New Orleans.
"We're not going to get any help," McCarthy said. "I know this is going to be a story that everybody wants to continue to talk about. And frankly, I'm not going to act like it's not there. This is a play that I'm sure we'll see on TV as we move on in our lives. That's the facts of our business."
Why didn't the Packer defenders just knock the ball loose? Why try for an interception to pad your stats? Bad coaching? Why take a chance and leave it up to the refs? They have no one to blame but themselves. Stop whining.Â
    There also was a bad call earlier in the Packer drive that led to the touchdown. This was the interference call on Chancellor at 3rd & 6 when Packers were still midfield. Did anyone see interference? Without that bad call, maybe they don't score the touchdown.Â
Time to focus on St. Louis and getting to 3-1 on the season. Let's go Hawks. Win no matter who is the ref!
I know, let's just call it a draw.
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Can we move on now?
Lousy calls all game (all weekend really). Poor sportsmanship by several packers tweeting post game. Protesting something that Can't Be Changed, by fans who obviously have too much time on their hands. Continuing negotiations in the labor dispute over miniscule (comparatively) $$$.
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NFL is looking weird these days.
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The Seahawks have a good, solid, well earned record and are looking stronger than I have seen in quite awhile.
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Go Hawks!!
If you have to blame someone, blame the owners who won't negotiate with the refs. Â The benefits the refs are asking for would not even come close to costing what one player makes in a year. Â Get real. Â This is a play for free media attention
It's pathetic that the whole game is surrounded by one bad call. Does everyone think that was the only bad call in the whole game? I don't think so. The PI call that lead to the GB touchdown was a bad call. The replacement refs need to re-read the rules on PI. Seattle had 8 sacks in the first half. Seattle held them to two field goals. Seattle stopped GB from converting two points. I was at the game. I can't tell you how many times I saw holding on GB side and was never called. My point is that the bad call at the end is only one element that lead to GB loss. There's blame to go around. Nobody can't convince me that GB has never benefited from a bad ref call. Seattle won. Quit your crying GB.
What's the Wisconsin state wine?
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"We got screwed in Seattle".
 @mstipton Mayor McGinn should send the mayor of Green Bay a bottle of our finest wine. That would be epic. I felt bad when it happened but now I hope the Packers miss the playoffs by 1 game.
Bottom line.......
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If the game went the other way and it was Aaron Rodgers tossing one up to Jordy Nelson and it was the Seahawks that got done dirty, Discount Double Check would have shrugged his shoulders and taken the call too.
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It is what it is.
 @quaddave And Seattle fans would be holding the signs and protesting.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! It's not like you lost the Super Bowl. Put your Big Boy pants on and win the remaining games left in the season. If GB would have gotten a first down in their last series this wouldn't be an issue.
Ok, I'm a lifelong Seahawk fan and I'll admit the endgame call was bulldung. But then, the officiating in the entire game was bulldung.
So exactly how many times did the fake zebras hand Green Bay a first down in the second half for BS interference calls? Where were the refs on a couple of horsecollars that Golden Tate had to put up with?
Look, some calls went their way and some went ours. Yes, the final call will be controversial forever. But I can't think of one NFL owner, coach, team or fan that wouldn't take an ugly win over a pretty loss ANY DAY.
 @svensson Exactly, the real shame in this situation is that all of the AWFUL calls earlier in the game are being overlooked--including the fact that GB had 2 gifted first downs (on 3rd downs) on the drive where they ended up scoring their only TD, instead of punting it away (which would have happened if the officials made the right calls there).
Perhaps Aaron Rogers being sacked 8 times and tripping over AIR twice had something to do with the loss? Lets see week 1 GB loses and scored with a punt return, TD, 2 passing TD's, one INT - Week 2 GB wins scoring with 3 field goals, an INT and one passing TD. - Week 3 Rogers is sacked 8 times, trips over air twice, scores with 2 field goals and a controversial goal line TD and somehow Seattle and the replacement refs have robbed them of possibly going to the superbowl this year? I think the cheese heads brains have gone moldy.
 @Ducky Don't use facts & data to explain how controversial calls where made in their favor. :-) Nevermind the generous ball placement when Rodgers reached out for a first down on the Seahawk 3yd line. It should have been a 4th down and they would have kicked the FG. This would have allowed Seattle to kick their own FG in the 4th Qtr to win. Regular season game Cheeseheads. Not the last game of the season with a Championship on the line. Move on! Until you do... you're all hypocrites.
Although the calls WERE really bad, this is no different that the Seahawks losing to the Refs in that past superbowl huh?
 @hologram5 The difference is that with the GB game, the bad calls went both ways.  The SB game, all the bad calls went against Seattle.  So many bad calls in fact during the first half that the offense knew that no matter what they did after half time, the officials would at some point stop their momentum with some BS call.  That is why the offense looked so bad during the 3rd quarter.  And hey, it was the SB.  You expect everyone, including the officials, to be at there absolute best. Â
@hologram5 Well, I'll agree with you for part of that. I've always thought that if the 'Hawks had played better in the third quarter of that SuperBowl, the refs wouldn't have had to tank the decisions to begin with. The offense spent most of the 3rd quarter sitting on their butts [with two three-and-outs] and we were in position to score on at least one of those.
What annoys me about the whole sodding thing is that the 'Hawks played a hell of a game on Monday... I've NEVER seen them play defense tougher... and all anybody can talk about is the last 8 seconds.
If you're looking for something more pathetic than the league's handling of the labor dispute with officials, look no further than "fans" who are not looking ahead to next week and who have decided to stop their lives to wrap their entire existence around this one issue. Aaron Rodgers' comments stopped being constructive after he said "we shouldn't have been in this position in the first place," referring to GB's botched first half offsense, two second half red zone failures and GB's inability to get a first down late in the game when it counted most. Besides, Mike Holmgren can point to a stack of letters from the NFL from his tenure at Seattle testifying that regular officiating crews are no salvation. They screw up all the time too. Phil "Heads or Tails" Luckett, anyone?
They need a lot of whine for all those cheese heads.
Are the Packers also upset about the blown calls that extended their drive which resulted in their touchdown? Seems a little unfair and immature to be so upset about just this last play.  The real winners here are the refs, what a bargaining chip they now possess.Â
Yet no one remembers how badly Aaron Rodgers and his O-line sucked on Monday. 8 sacks? Ridiculous!
I have never seen so much wine & cheese. Get over yourselves!!!
 @Antistatism Seattle has been whining for 6 years over the damn Superbowl.  I don't see a whole lot of Green Bay people whining as much as the media hyping it up.  So who needs to get over what?
 @stamperzann  @Antistatism No comparison... regular season game vs SB. Trust me.... if this was the SB Green Bay would NEVER forget. Time for you to get over it. If you're still complaining there you are a hypocrite. Move on.
 @d_2  @stamperzann  @Antistatism Could be the same thing. If it causes GB to not get into the playoffs, it is surely the same thing. You can't say whining is ok for Seattle and not ok for other cities.
Packer can still go 14-2. We were told to get over the Superbowl so they can get over a week 3 screwing. If the Discount Double Check could have just gotten one 1st down on that their last possession then that final play would have never happened. Next time don't get sacked 8 times and shut out in the first half.
Green Bay cry me a river...It's about time something went the Hawks way.You know,the Super Bowl debacle.
 @F4I You mean like the extra time outs they got earlier in the season?
@stamperzann Yeah that and the whole screwing we took at the super bowl..I can't believe that people are taking to the streets there with banners and signs...what a joke
I heard an interesting thought on KIRO this morning. What if this was in GB instead of Seattle.
Can you imagine the rioting that would have taken place.
Just a thought, why don't they outfit refs with webcams to we could see the replay from the refs perspective.