ACL in question as Redskins' RG3 has more tests

ASHBURN, Va. (AP) - It doesn't sound good for Robert Griffin III.
An injury that sidelines RG3 well into next season is a very real possibility - or at least it seemed that way Monday after coach Mike Shanahan described the results of tests on the rookie's right knee.
Shanahan said the results are prompting the team to send Griffin to Florida on Tuesday to see renowned orthopedist James Andrews for more examinations, essentially a second opinion that will decide the team's fate for the 2013 season.
"There is a concern," Shanahan said. "That's why he's going to see him."
Griffin tore his ACL while playing for Baylor in 2009, and Shanahan said that old injury caused Griffin's latest MRI to prove inconclusive and produce "differences of opinion" in those who have looked at it.
"They want to take another look and have a physical exam with him," Shanahan said, "to make sure they're not looking at old injuries."
A torn ACL typically requires a rehabilitation period of nine to 12 months, although some players don't return to full health until their second season after the injury. On the other hand, one of this season's most remarkable stories was Adrian Peterson, who returned about eight months after tearing an ACL and nearly broke the NFL's single-season rushing record.
Notably, Shanahan referenced Peterson on Monday, pointing out that the Minnesota Vikings back had the big season without the benefit of an offseason practice program. It could be a possible scenario for Griffin.
Shanahan was grilled about his handling of Griffin's injury. Already playing with a heavy black brace in his third game since spraining a lateral collateral ligament, Griffin hurt the knee again when he fell awkwardly while throwing a pass in the first quarter of Sunday's 24-14 playoff loss to the Seattle Seahawks.
Griffin stayed in the game, but he was far from his usual self, clearly favoring the knee and unable to run with the world-class speed that helped define his play early in the season.
Then, in the fourth quarter with the Redskins trailing by seven, the knee buckled the wrong way when Griffin tried to field a bad shotgun snap. The Seahawks recovered the fumble deep in Washington territory, setting up a short field goal that helped put the game out of reach. Griffin was done for the evening.
Shanahan said he thought he made the "right decisions" to keep Griffin in the game and that it would be "crazy" to think he would purposely sacrifice Griffin's career to win a game. He said he did not talk to team doctors initially after Griffin was hurt in the first quarter, instead relying on Griffin's word.
"I went up to Robert. I said, 'You OK?'" Shanahan said. "And he said, 'I'm fine.'"
Griffin was also feeling the criticism for not taking himself out. He did not appear in the locker room during the two hours it was open to reporters Monday morning and instead made his public statements via Twitter.
"Many may question, criticize & think they have all the right answers. But few have been in the line of fire in battle. ... I thank God for perspective and because of that I appreciate the support from everyone. I also appreciate the criticism. ... When adversity strikes you respond in one of two ways....You step aside and give in..Or you step up and fight," Griffin tweeted.
Teammates defended Griffin's desire to play hurt, saying it's part of an athlete's competitive nature.
"It's a slippery slope, I guess you can say, because you want to help the team," said receiver Pierre Garcon, who faced a similar dilemma this season while dealing with a painful toe injury. "But you want to help yourself in the long run and your career.
"You want to look out for all sides, but it's hard to really know exactly if you're doing the right thing because if you sit out and the team losses, it's like 'I could probably have helped.' If you go out there and don't help the team, it's like, 'I probably should've sat out.' You've just got to make a decision and live with it."
Shanahan's take on Griffin was also muddled by details that have emerged from the game in which the quarterback originally hurt the knee last month against the Baltimore Ravens.
The coach said at the time he was told by Andrews on the Redskins sideline that Griffin was cleared to return to the game, but Andrews told USA Today over the weekend that he didn't get a chance to examine the knee during the one play Griffin sat out after the initial injury.
Shanahan explained the apparent discrepancy.
"I don't sit down with him and say, 'Hey, did you give him a proper evaluation?'" Shanahan said. "I ask him, 'Is it OK if he goes back in the game?' He says yes or no. He said yes."
Either way, the various versions of what happened cast more intrigue on the protocol NFL teams use to determine whether someone is fit to keep playing. Redskins left guard Kory Lichtensteiger had to leave Sunday's game in the first quarter because he could no longer play on a sprained left ankle that kept him out of practice all week.
"I went out there," Lichtensteiger said. "But, in hindsight, I probably shouldn't have done it."
Griffin's injury and the playoff loss put a damper on the end of one of the best Redskins seasons in two decades. Washington rallied from a 3-6 start to win the NFC East after four straight last-place finishes. Assuming Griffin's knee will again be fully healthy, the future looks brighter than at any time since the Super Bowl era under coach Joe Gibbs in the 1980s and early 1990s.
"I think people have really learned around here - if you're down by seven, people aren't packing it in," said safety Reed Doughty, wrapping up his seventh season in Washington. "People aren't getting that 'Oh, the way things used to be' kind of feeling."
An injury that sidelines RG3 well into next season is a very real possibility - or at least it seemed that way Monday after coach Mike Shanahan described the results of tests on the rookie's right knee.
Shanahan said the results are prompting the team to send Griffin to Florida on Tuesday to see renowned orthopedist James Andrews for more examinations, essentially a second opinion that will decide the team's fate for the 2013 season.
"There is a concern," Shanahan said. "That's why he's going to see him."
Griffin tore his ACL while playing for Baylor in 2009, and Shanahan said that old injury caused Griffin's latest MRI to prove inconclusive and produce "differences of opinion" in those who have looked at it.
"They want to take another look and have a physical exam with him," Shanahan said, "to make sure they're not looking at old injuries."
A torn ACL typically requires a rehabilitation period of nine to 12 months, although some players don't return to full health until their second season after the injury. On the other hand, one of this season's most remarkable stories was Adrian Peterson, who returned about eight months after tearing an ACL and nearly broke the NFL's single-season rushing record.
Notably, Shanahan referenced Peterson on Monday, pointing out that the Minnesota Vikings back had the big season without the benefit of an offseason practice program. It could be a possible scenario for Griffin.
Shanahan was grilled about his handling of Griffin's injury. Already playing with a heavy black brace in his third game since spraining a lateral collateral ligament, Griffin hurt the knee again when he fell awkwardly while throwing a pass in the first quarter of Sunday's 24-14 playoff loss to the Seattle Seahawks.
Griffin stayed in the game, but he was far from his usual self, clearly favoring the knee and unable to run with the world-class speed that helped define his play early in the season.
Then, in the fourth quarter with the Redskins trailing by seven, the knee buckled the wrong way when Griffin tried to field a bad shotgun snap. The Seahawks recovered the fumble deep in Washington territory, setting up a short field goal that helped put the game out of reach. Griffin was done for the evening.
Shanahan said he thought he made the "right decisions" to keep Griffin in the game and that it would be "crazy" to think he would purposely sacrifice Griffin's career to win a game. He said he did not talk to team doctors initially after Griffin was hurt in the first quarter, instead relying on Griffin's word.
"I went up to Robert. I said, 'You OK?'" Shanahan said. "And he said, 'I'm fine.'"
Griffin was also feeling the criticism for not taking himself out. He did not appear in the locker room during the two hours it was open to reporters Monday morning and instead made his public statements via Twitter.
"Many may question, criticize & think they have all the right answers. But few have been in the line of fire in battle. ... I thank God for perspective and because of that I appreciate the support from everyone. I also appreciate the criticism. ... When adversity strikes you respond in one of two ways....You step aside and give in..Or you step up and fight," Griffin tweeted.
Teammates defended Griffin's desire to play hurt, saying it's part of an athlete's competitive nature.
"It's a slippery slope, I guess you can say, because you want to help the team," said receiver Pierre Garcon, who faced a similar dilemma this season while dealing with a painful toe injury. "But you want to help yourself in the long run and your career.
"You want to look out for all sides, but it's hard to really know exactly if you're doing the right thing because if you sit out and the team losses, it's like 'I could probably have helped.' If you go out there and don't help the team, it's like, 'I probably should've sat out.' You've just got to make a decision and live with it."
Shanahan's take on Griffin was also muddled by details that have emerged from the game in which the quarterback originally hurt the knee last month against the Baltimore Ravens.
The coach said at the time he was told by Andrews on the Redskins sideline that Griffin was cleared to return to the game, but Andrews told USA Today over the weekend that he didn't get a chance to examine the knee during the one play Griffin sat out after the initial injury.
Shanahan explained the apparent discrepancy.
"I don't sit down with him and say, 'Hey, did you give him a proper evaluation?'" Shanahan said. "I ask him, 'Is it OK if he goes back in the game?' He says yes or no. He said yes."
Either way, the various versions of what happened cast more intrigue on the protocol NFL teams use to determine whether someone is fit to keep playing. Redskins left guard Kory Lichtensteiger had to leave Sunday's game in the first quarter because he could no longer play on a sprained left ankle that kept him out of practice all week.
"I went out there," Lichtensteiger said. "But, in hindsight, I probably shouldn't have done it."
Griffin's injury and the playoff loss put a damper on the end of one of the best Redskins seasons in two decades. Washington rallied from a 3-6 start to win the NFC East after four straight last-place finishes. Assuming Griffin's knee will again be fully healthy, the future looks brighter than at any time since the Super Bowl era under coach Joe Gibbs in the 1980s and early 1990s.
"I think people have really learned around here - if you're down by seven, people aren't packing it in," said safety Reed Doughty, wrapping up his seventh season in Washington. "People aren't getting that 'Oh, the way things used to be' kind of feeling."
Here is an interesting stat; in the last three games the Seahawks have recovered two fumbles via someone getting injured. Mario Manningham in the San Francisco game and now RG3. That has to be in part because of the Seahawks physical style of play.
Hindsight vision is 20/20. I'm not sure there is any blame to be laid here. What we're seeing is the agony of defeat.
Plenty of blame to go with this one.
1st on the list is the field condition. Horrible. I've read on some blogs that it was designed that way for this game.
2nd is Griffins ego.
3rd is the coaches ignorance and respect for his players.
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Can we move along now? The medias pretty boy is history at this time. Let's not forget that sophomore Kieth Price outplayed him in The Alamo Bowl.
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Get over it.
 @bobalouie Nothing wrong with the field. It played no part in the injury. This is football. It is played on any surface in any weather. You want a perfect surface? Watch golf.
I'm a Hawks fan but I still hope this guy's OK. It looked really really bad on TV. Hurt just looking at it.
Come on how many people in here that played a sport pushed themselves on injury?... I can relate to the desire to 'suck it up' I played soccer myself and I rolled both ankles in a game and I played on insisting I was ok - sure I was until swelling took over but the game was over by then - we did win the game unlike the redskins BUT I was unable to stand the next morning because of the swelling that was on my ankles made it look like I had a grapefruit for an ankle and honestly I hit the ground the second I got out of bed the next day... my team was without me for two weeks while I healed... but best to say if they saw me with a limp from another ankle injury I was pulled out ever since... and I understand why it is important to TRUST your teammates to cover for you if you have to retreat to the injuries list...Â
 @Freespeech You make excellent points here in both posts, but I can see why RGIII didn't want to go out, both as a competitor and leader, but also, look at Alex Smith in San Francisco.
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Guy tore it up last season and was doing great this season until his concussion. Harbaugh, charged with doing what's best for the whole team, decided that then-backup Kaepernick played so well in relief that Smith lost his starting job permanently despite doing nothing wrong.Â
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Now look at how strongly fourth-round rookie Cousins performed a few weeks ago, both in the game he took over and the following week when he started. RGIII was probably (quite understandably) all too well aware of that along with his desire to be out there during the playoffs.Â
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RGIII is a true competitor, a class act, and a real man on and off the field. I wish the best for him, and that he overcomes all of the odds to be back at full strength, and hope to face him on the field during many post seasons to come.Â
...in short I am saying their will be more games and more playoffs... there is no point sacrificing a career for a few more minutes on the field... team doctors opinions should be law to the coach and any coach worth a darn will make the decision to SAVE his players for the long haul over here and now GLORY!
Nobody should blame RGIII for wanting to play. Everyone should blame Shanahan for letting him. Shanahan had more to do with the outcome of that game than the Seahawks did.
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 @MVDad Shanahan was a great coach when he had Elway. Without Elway not so much.
I certainly hope he didn't do any permenant damage to his knee..Â
Hope he didn't sacrifice his career to try to save a playoff win.
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Even if he stayed in and they won with him as gimpy as he was, They probably would not have had him next week. He should have been pulled up 14-0 to save him for the following week. I think the Hawks would still have won, The Skins defense could not stop the run. The Hawks were the better team as a whole.
He'll ultimately pay the price for peg-leggin' it. It was painful to watch the replay of the fall that took him out yesterday, I hope he is able to make a strong recovery. In the meantime, Go Hawks!!!
Shanahan should have pulled RG III in the 2nd Quarter, of course RG III wants to play but it is the job of the coach to look out for his players, Shanahan failed RG III
 @SIstaSue Shanahan will be fired after it's announced that RGIII tore his ACL/PCL, and deservedly so.
 @Cooter_Brown  @SIstaSue And the team "doctor"
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 @JeepRex  @Cooter_Brown  @SIstaSue One of the best doctors in the nation told Shanahan and the team that RGIII should not play yesterday; he strongly recommended against it in fact.Â
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As well as Kirk Cousins performed in relief a few weeks ago, Shanahan is a selfish idiot to have let RGIII in the game at all, much less kept him in so long when he was obviously struggling and in great pain.Â
 @JeepRex  @Cooter_Brown  @SIstaSue If I remember correctly from other articles, Shanahan did not consult the team doctor.
I sincerely hope you come back next year stronger than ever. You make the game exciting and there is no question that your talent is huge. I hope going forward that the coaching will consider not putting you in situations where you can hurt yourself. Let's begin w/ the turf that claimed you and Clemons. I will say that even if you were 100%, the Hawks would have still won. The Skins' defense was unable to shutdown anyone beyond the first quarter. I expect that the Nation will still be unable to recognize the stats and blame the entire loss on RGIII and his inability to play at 100%. No respect up here in the PNW. Remember... the Skins' defense gave up some big rushing numbers and ultimately 24pts.
 @d_2 And Adrian Peterson last year.
Had he been 100% I think we'd have been lucky to get the W.. that is how important he is to the team.. certainly more than RW is to the hawks who are a more balanced team. Very few of these QB's that run the ball frequently last very long doing just that.. hopefully Pete will start using that option with RW less in the coming years to preserve his health.
 @SensationaLies Wilson knows when to hit the deck. RG3 thinks he's a running back who has to fight for yardage. He will walk like an old man by the time he is 30 if he doesn't change the way he runs.
 @SensationaLies How would RGIII prevented the Hawks' rushing offense? Does he play both sides of the ball?
@d_2 @SensationaLies He may prevented the Hawks offense from being on the field as frequently as it was and put up more points to match.
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Seahawk Time of Possession 34:20
Redskins Time of Possession 25:40
 @SensationaLies Really? What were the Hawks missing last year? Yes, a QB. Russell Wilson is just as valuable to this team as RGIII is to the Redskins. They have the second leading rusher in the league. What the skins lack is a dominant defense.
 @Hachee_Bungwhy You contradict yourself. RGIII is more valuable to his team that RW. Why? Precisely because he carries the team no matter what his defense does. He is forced to score more to win. This isn't a put down on Wilson. Its a compliment to the Seahawks defense that they too can carry this team.
 @nwsportstilidie  @Hachee_Bungwhy  @marvin Not even close to enough to know that. Heck, barring this injury not even enough to determine whether RGIII or RW will have a better career.Â
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My only point was that Shanahan had a solid option to fill in Sunday that didn't risk further and potentially permanent harm to their current No.1 guy.Â
 @MargeGunderson  @Hachee_Bungwhy  @marvin Didn't see enough from Cousins to say that he is going to be a better quarterback than either RG3 or RW.
 @Hachee_Bungwhy  @marvin He followed that up by winning his first start the following week.
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Had any of about 20 other teams drafted Cousins instead of coming in with/after RGIII, he probably would have upstaged our third round jackpot by being a rookie starter coming out of the fourth round.Â
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NOT saying I'd rather have Cousins than Wilson, just that Shanahan had an excellent option to risking the career and future of such a great talent, and great human being, as RGIII.Â
 @marvin Cousins came in a must win game for them earlier in the year and lead them to a comeback victory. Just sayin.
That field is what should be getting the criticism. This is a billion dollar league and that field is an embarrassment.
 @Hachee_Bungwhy This isn't the PGA. Its football.
 @JeepRex  @Hachee_Bungwhy That field was an absolute disgrace. It looked like they had a monster truck show there before the game even started.Â
 @Hachee_Bungwhy For how much he is making and all the money he could have made and made the club you think the moment they knew his knee was questionable they would have reconditioned that field overnight.  The cost would have been a drop in the bucket compared to the possibility of what could have been made.  Heck the Red Skins players and the fans probably wish they would have played at Qwest field regardless of a win or loss to just not have him get hurt.
 @APenny4MyThoughts  @Hachee_Bungwhy The cost of fixing that embarrassment of a field would also be a drop in the bucket compared to what they pay the players, and protected those expensive investments.Â
 When he came into the NFL I honestly didn't think he would become anything more than a talented primadonna. I have been pleasantly surprised by the rookie class of QBs. RGIII made the choice to play, a choice that wasn't self gratifying, but rather what he felt was best for the team...and if he didn't play, I can only imagine the criticism he would be receiving today. Classic case of D**med if you do d**med if you don't.
 @aintno1special and if had they had won with him playing injured.... the dude would be a legend in his first season and every Redskins fan would had an RGIII tatooed on their arm.Â
If Griffin, the coaching staff, and the team doctors all felt like he could play, then get off his back. The quarterback is the leader on the field, and part of that role is showing your guys you're not afraid of a little pain. Should he maybe have been pulled after he came up lame early in the game? Perhaps, but remember that the decision to leave him in wasn't his alone. Hopefully he didn't do any serious damage and can be healthy again in time for next season. I'd hate to see such a huge talent permanently sidelined before he had a chance to grow and show us all what he could really do.