New forecasts indicate it'll still be a dry autumn and winter

Big fans of the August and September (and part of October) dry streak? Eager for what would pass as an encore in winter?
According to long range models issued Thursday, your wish just might be granted. (Just don't go smiling at any skiers.)
NOAA's Climate Prediction Center issued its new 30 day and 90 day forecasts Thursday. And while it still remains a bit of a mystery whether this will be an El Nino winter or not, several signs point to a dry autumn and winter, regardless.
In the short term, the maps indicate the Pacific Northwest will have a cooler than normal November, but also end up drier than normal.

(Maps legend: Temperature -- Blue=Cooler; Brown=Warmer. Rainfall: Green=Wetter; Brown=Drier)
Expanding out to the new three month forecast for November to January, it doesn't pick up much of a temperature signal -- that is new in this most recent forecast; earlier forecasts had a decent warmer-than-normal signal -- but do still solidly paint our region with drier than normal conditions.
Here is November to January map:

But what is amazing as each subsequent map: December to February, January to March, February to April, really don't show much change. It's still dry, dry, and more dry:
In fact, drier than normal weather is expected to hold through next spring.
El Nino: To be, or not to be?
Some of the changes in the forecasts are likely due to new uncertainty over what exactly the tropical Pacific Ocean is up to this winter. Models in the summer were getting pretty confident that decent El Nino conditions were on the way, and these 30- and 90-day forecasts practically wrote themselves: Dry and warm across the Northwest and North, wet and cool across the south.
In fact, here was the January-March forecast from just two months ago:

But a funny thing happened on the way to El Nino: its engine sputtered. Ocean water warmed to just under the criteria to classify it as an El Nino, but then the warming kind of stopped and some areas of the ocean are actually losing some of its earlier warmth.
As a result the atmosphere has become a bit confused, with some signs of El Nino effects burgeoning in parts of the Pacific, but not in others. Thus, it's making quite the headache for those who put these long range forecasts together:
"This is one of the most challenging outlooks we’ve produced in recent years because El Niño decided not to show up as expected," said Mike Halpert, deputy director of NOAA's Climate Prediction Center. "In fact, it stalled out last month, leaving neutral conditions in place in the tropical Pacific."
You'll notice that California, which usually gets hammered with heavy rains in an El Nino year, and thus is typically painted on these long range forecasts with well above normal rainfall, has instead now been only given the neutral "equal chance" rating for rainfall, meaning there is no weighting either way.
Here is the new map to compare to the one from two months ago:

Forecasters think there is enough momentum in the warming that we will reach the minimum standards to call it an El Nino by the end of the year. But some models now aren't so sure.
This model, which is fairly new and has the latest technology in climate modeling -- and did very well in predicting the Double-Dip La Nina last winter -- indicates the waters will instead cool a bit and we will be in a solid neutral year, especially after the new year.

What's the difference? Neutral years tend to run the gamut, and some of our strongest storms -- be it flooding, wind storms or snow storms -- have come in neutral years. (While La Nina's tend to make for snowier winters overall, neutral winters tend to have more of the major events, it just might be the only snow event of the season.) The trade off is that neutral years have also been marked with long, dry, calm stretches too.
Although the long range forecasters still say that with the El Nino/neutral uncertainty, even though their confidence in typical El Nino conditions across many regions of the U.S. is no longer high, several models do indicate the Pacific Northwest will remain drier than normal.
Very interesting write up! Â I have studied El Nino / La Nina for years, and there are certain aspects of the atmosphere that never were on board for an El Nino this winter. Â It's interesting to note that the Pacific Decadal Oscillation and atmospheric angular momentum were at the lowest levels ever recorded this summer during a developing or established El Nino. Â The upshot of all this is the winter has an abnormally high chance for extreme pattern anomalies which could mean some wild times for certain parts of the United States. Â The signal is strong for a relatively dry winter in the NW, but I think the odds are high for at least one spell of extreme cold. Â The current abnormal cold snap we are experiencing is further evidence for such an outcome as October patterns often foreshadow the winter to an extent. Â Cold and dry winters are the ones where Seattle can get snow followed by long periods of cold and clear weather which can keep the snow on the ground for an extended period. Â With no El Nino the chances of a dry and warm winter are very low. Â Dry and cold is more likely.
I live in the s.w. foothills (Mt Rainier). Two summers ago it would be 70 -80 (in July) during the day and occasionally drop down into the high 30's at night. brrrrrr. I've really enjoyed our late summer and fall and the warmer night and morning temps. Have worn my rubber sandals up until last week when the rain and cold finally crept back in. A warmer dryer winter would be a nice break from the last three years.
I saw a rabbit run into the woods.
Ha!
The squirrels and blue jays don't look as thick as last year in their coats and feathers, but yes the caterpillers do look a tad bit fuller this year which is rather interesting..
The caterpillars look like they are wearing heavy coats this fall. Doesn't a lot of fur indicate a cooler fall/winter ahead? :-D
People, PLEASE!
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Regardless of what the forecast says, put tire chains in your car. Not in your garage, where they won't do you any good. Put them IN your car. If you don't have a set, GO BUY one!
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Just imagine how much better traffic would be if people would just chain up the one or two times a year it snows? vs heading out in your rear wheel drive car and then getting stuck on I90, and abandoning it....
 @TheBronze Settle down Joe Biden!
@TheBronze I wish people wouldnt use studded tires though; all they do is tear up the roads and give people a false sense of confidence. Seems like the people who put studded tires on drive worse than most people with regular two wheel drive
It's hard to know what a dryer than normal spring would be around here after the last several years. All in all, I just don't want another snow/ice storm like last year!
 @Zoso The last 2 springs have been especially $h!++y!!
What really strikes me as strange is the CPC is using outlook maps more indicative of El Nino conditions for the Northwest and not a Neutral. Some of our biggest wind storms, flooding events and snow storms come in neutral years. It appears their is too much uncertainty to lean one way or another and the best bet is to stick with the 1 to 2 week forecast for trends.
Scott, if anyone could predict long range weather, I think it would be you. That said, I think I'll just look out the window and go with that. That's proven very reliable for me.
Home made doppler = Open the front door
How appropriate to fly a rainbow kite above seattle.
before all the "those damn weatherfolk can't tell us if it is going to rain tomorrow for gawd's sake" whining, let me re-phrase the title to what it should be:
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"New forecasts indicate the probability of warmer/drier conditions is higher than average"
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seasonal climate forecasting is a probabilistic science- not deterministic one. It usually means very little to the average Joe but can mean a lot to actuaries!
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El Nino conditions don't mean that we can't have some very cold/snowy events this winter- it just means the odds of them occurring are lower than average. The ENSO correlations I've seen are in the ballpark of R^2 values of 0.5-0.7 anyways: there is a lot of spread in those values! i.e., the El Nino= warm/dry, La Nina= cold/wet, is not really a tangible association unless your looking into the real long term; not season to season prep.
I'd be happy with one historic snow event and one historic wind event. Yep, yep, as long as everyone stays safe during both.Â
@windtreeman At least one of each....more would be awsome! But like you said...as long as everyone stays safe!
Watch out what you wish for. Historic snow events may be something you would regret about halfway through one of them. It's usually not a foot of snow gone in two or three days.
HaPpY hApPy JoY jOy DaNcE!!!!!!
It's interesting - I guess. But all of the forecasting techniques are no assurance that we'll know very far in advance of a major weather event - a big wind storm or whatever. They don't know if we'll get another ice storm, major flooding, etc., so why bother giving us these "this might happen" forecasts?
 @Silvia If I'm playing craps and god whispers in my ear telling me the odds of hitting my point is higher than average, then I'm going to increase my bet! .. or... If I produce and sell umbrellas and the climate forecaster tells me the odds of wetter/colder season is higher than average, I can adjust my production/hedging strategy appropriately.  Doesn't mean I'm not going to crap out on the next roll, just means by odds of it are lower
 @puyallup_person Sure. But like you said (I think) these forecasts aren't that useful to the average person. We darned well may get the storm of the century (or whatever). Even if the odds of getting that storm are lower than normal, if it hits, the snow will still be, uh, snowy, and the roads will still be icy.
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Hmm. I guess I should split more firewood for the winter, huh?
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 @puyallup_person And - unless you've studied statistics (I had a class during graduate school), the concept of "probabilities" is going to be poorly understood.
 @Silvia yep, I don't envy the media- they have their work cut out for them trying to communicate this information to the public so that it is meaningful. Scott always does a great job at it, as best as possible- just a very difficult concept to try to convey when people desire exact numbers instead of probabilities
Love the drier than normal forcast
They can't even tell us what the weather will be tomorrow and they're forecasting 90 days out?lol
Sure was a ton of money wasted on all these new weather sats and radars. There was better weather forecast in the good old days when all they had was a barometer.
 @Blindman Where did I put my Farmers' Almanac. I know it's around here somewhere...